insomnia.delhiThe helicopter may be fitted with a ‘fly-by-wire‘ (FBW) control system, and a modern glass cockpit with multifunctional display (MFD) screens. The helicopter crew may also be equipped with a helmet-mounted sight (HMS) for head-up display of information and weapon control. A sensor suite is located in the nose of the helicopter, possibly consisting of television and forward looking infrared (FLIR) sensors. The helicopter’s electronic warfare suite consists of radar warning receiver (RWR), laser warning receiver, infrared jammer and chaff and flare decoy dispensers.
Fixed weapon onboard the WZ-10 includes a cannon installed in the chin of the helicopter. Two stub wings provide four stores stations for external ordinance. China is currently developing a new HJ-10 anti-tank guided missile (ATGM), which was said to be comparable to the U.S. AGM-114 Hellfire. In addition, the helicopter could also carry TY-90 air-to-air missiles and unguided rocket launcher pods
The helicopter is expected to enter PLA service FEW DAYS AGO
Anything on length, height, rotor dia, loaded/empty weight, range, engine etc.?
I think FBW, MFDs, HMD/HMS etc. are more certainty than a may be for a heli entering in 2010s…
insomnia.delhi….
it’s A great STEP FOR THIS COUNTRY
some specifications please.
insomnia.delhiIAF Jaguar Fleet To Be Upgraded With MBDA’s ASRAAM
seems like an advert of asraam rather than actual news..lol.
Does not look like a very reliable website either.
That said, exactly what is the next step in the Jaguar upgrade?
There was a video of a model of a Jaguar Darin III (possibly a proposal) on You Tube, it was quite wild with the radar, and lots of big MFDs.
insomnia.delhiwhat kind of band and range does this baby have?
The L band…… just a wild guess
insomnia.delhiGuys, you are confusing. PAK FA: russian fifth gen fighter programme. 100% russian. FGFA: Indo-russian variant for India and export aircraft. Owners: 50% HAL, 25% UAC, 25% Rosoboronexport.
Press Information Bureau, Government of India
India, Russia Sign Contract to Design and Develop FGFA
A Contract for Preliminary Design of the Indo-Russian Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft was signed between Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), Rosoboronexport and Sukhoi here today. The Project involves design and development of a Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft that will have advanced features such as stealth, supercruise, ultra-maneuvrability, highly integrated avionics suite, enhanced situational awareness, internal carriage of weapons and Network Centric Warfare capabilities.The aircraft to be jointly developed is termed Perspective Multi-role Fighter (PMF). PMF draws upon the basic structural and system design of the Russian FGFA Technology Demonstrator with modifications to meet IAF specifications which are much more stringent. The broad scope of bilateral cooperation during the joint project covers the design & development of the PMF, its productionization and joint marketing to the third countries. Programme options include the design & development of a twin seater variant and the integration of an advanced engine with higher thrust at a later stage.
Today’s contract is only the first in a series of such contracts which will cover different stages of this complex programme. The total cost including options and the value of production aircraft will make this the biggest Defence programme ever in the history of India involving production of over 200-250 aircraft.
The Contract was signed by Mr. A Isaykin, General Director, Rosoboronexport and Mr. M Pogosyan, General Director RAC MiG & Sukhoi from the Russian side and Mr. Ashok Nayak, Chairman, HAL and Mr. NC Agarwal, Director (D&D), HAL from the Indian side at Delhi.
SK/DM
(Release ID :68611)
http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=68611
They really does not sound too different, the plane would be the same, the two seat version and the new engine are the program options, its still the sukhoi plane modified from the start to suit Indian Air Force. It seems even in the contracts they refer to the plane as the PMF.
insomnia.delhiIt’ll more likely than not slow and complicate the process for both parties.
Its not the first project of this kind involving India and Russia, i doubt the venture will make the process slow and complicated, it is not that complicated.
There are technical challenges that must be met, which will make the process slow and complicated, and there is only one way forward, to solve them.
insomnia.delhiThat is an exaggeration. If India pulls out of the T-50 project, that would do a lot of damage to the program. It will make the fighter’s funding scarcer (not that India has paid money till now, but it intends to as their level of participation increases), it will reduce the production run since Russia will find it difficult to sell 250-300 T-50s to any one other market. It will increase development and production costs for Russia and all of that will have a snowball effect on the program’s vitality.
They just released a near 300-400 million dollar investment for initial design (i think).
The greatest advantage will be the large number of airframes that will soak up the cost of R&D, the more they are the bigger the R&D investment that can be made without making the planes too expensive.
With the rate at which Russian and Indian economy are improving i think there is a bigger potential (in numbers) for this program than what is projected right now.
I have no doubts though like the SSNs and the SSBNs, this program seems to be very important, it will not be deprived of funding, Indian involvement or not.
insomnia.delhiSupercruise with 4 AAMs. That’s all we know.
The drag I’m talking about refers to all the nice promo pictures with heavy weapons loads (e.g. 4x GBU under-fuselage, 4x AAMs on twin pylons underwing). The parasitic drag on those closely spaced stores and interactions can’t be pretty.
Funny how SAAB’s performance and range numbers always refer to lightly loaded Gripen NGs, while the pics always show 2-3x those loads. I for one am not surprised that when they have to quote performance with a real bombload, the results are exponentially worse than previously publicized performance numbers.
Hey, welcome to the world of marketing.
I suppose when it comes to purchasing the plane, no air force will fall for publicly declared figures, and marketing tricks, to think that SAAB thinks otherwise will not be very wise.
insomnia.delhiWith the sort of initial orders which are around, and from the previous helicopters programs experience the capacity of repeat domestic orders, there is a massive job ahead (in providing for domestic orders).
International tenders are very nice though, one gets to test their production quality in the international market, which can only improve HAL.
insomnia.delhiThe JF-17 is considered a 4th generation plane by the PAF and China. Brazil can build a Gripen or any other plane it chooses, its all a matter of money and time. Brazil won’t be buying the Gripen because Brazil cannot build a similar plane, but the costs and time involved is something Brazil does not wish to get into.
The JF-17 is nearly as effective as an f-16 Block 52. Brazil does not have enemies that need anything better. The JF-17 Block II, said to start production later this year is perhaps slated to have the following improvement:
1. LO features
2. IRST
3. AESA (?)
4. Greater composite use (JF-17 already uses composites btw)
I think your weird nationalism for Pakistan is making it difficult for you to understand what some tried to tell you here.
They started a tender for a requirement.
That tender was responded to by companies like SAAB, Lockheed Martin, Eurofighter GmbH, Boeing, Dassault, Sukhoi.
SAAB proposed the Gripen NG and not the Gripen C/D.
Lockheed proposed the F-16 block 60, not the Block-52+
Perhaps that gives you and Idea about the requirement expressed in the Tender, these planes have quite a impressive lead over the JF-17 in terms of technology in design, avionics, software, manufacturing and are a higher class (weight, payload) proven planes.
To expand on that, Lockheed would not have proposed a much more evolved and expensive Block-60 modification if they knew that the cheaper and older tech (52+) could have a better chance.
SAAB could have offered the Gripen C/D instead of the Gripen Next Generation, it would have been cheaper, they however chose not to.
These firms did that because of the Brazilian requirements, not because they like ruining their chances in a tender.
Now based on internet rumours and discussion (and not much else), it seems that the plane to compete for such a requirement in a tender would be a larger J-10B.
Not to say you should not try to sell it, hey the Chinese would give JF-17s for free if Brazil asked them to……………..
Jai Sri Ram, Har har mahadev…………lol
insomnia.delhiIndia does not produce the Al-31 for the MKI by itself right?
The product page seems to suggest HAL does
http://www.hal-india.com/EngineKoraput/products.asp
insomnia.delhibut it had to be easy enough so the Chinese could allow Pakistan to build it! 🙂
What technology will Brazil acquire from JF-17 that it can not acquire on its own? Design and development, New Materials/metallurgy, avionics, Construction techniques…..
insomnia.delhiThe two programmes are different, if it only offered F 35 style design customization India would have certainly looked elsehwere. FGFA will be made according to Indian needs down to the T.
Not according to the statements given by Indian Authorities, the two programs sound exactly the same, the press information bureau release referred to the final program as the PMF based on the FGFA technology demonstrator.
insomnia.delhiIf there are safety issues with the Mig-27 you have to wonder if a new FCS would help reduce the issues.
It seems to be a very volumous airframe and if HAL can make the airframe would not be such a bad aircraft if the engines and avionics were upgraded (i do not mean the radars etc but i mean the flight control system.).
Might as well start building EE Canberra, HAL had a production line of MiG-27s it was called the Bahadur, the line started in 88, so unfortunately InAF still have a lot of planes with some life left in them.
From what is written about the engine, it seems the Russian upgrade with the new engine would have saved lives, apparently that is not important……….. 😡
insomnia.delhiThe tender is fixed, everyone knows what the InAF wants, its not the Russian bird, they will probably just get the Russian plane on not making some technical grounds specifically made to keep everyone out.
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