Nice to see him back flying again.
Thank you for the info!
PIGY looks a lot different from when I saw her last. Does anyone know what she is up to now. I’ve heard that she is possibly operating out of Hereford. Has she left the ownership of Invicta Aviation.
Any idea who the Bronco pilot was?
A Spitfire in formation with ‘The Blades’ flying around Sywell and Wellingborough. Still flying now.
I should also mention, that the reported Skyvan maybe G-BEOL if it was black. According to the newly released film trailer with her in it. Her sister, G-PIGY is olive drab now.
The pilot tried to take off with a low speed tail wind (can’t say how much, but the wind sock only had a slight angle) and collided with the trees. The left wing was torn off as the aircraft hit the tops of the tree. It was witnessed that that aircraft was in a steep climb after rotation. It wasn’t uncommon to see him do it, but I guess he went past the point of no return and tried to get out of his predicament.
The pilot was thrown from the cockpit and suffered a leg injury as mentioned. He’s a bit on the porky side so that may have done him some favours in surviving the fall.
Sadly, the pilot has been witnessed by a large number of people numerous times making a complete hash of taking off. (The airfield is populated by skydivers on the weekend (myself included) so we know a thing or two about wind). He has been seen taking off into high winds in which no one else is flying, and attempting to take off with strong tail winds on both long and short runways. The short runway has a farm house at the end of it….
On one occasion the pilot was told after he gave up trying to fly, that he was trying to take off towards the farm house with a 40 knot tail wind. I kid you not!…
The aircraft was often seen wobbling about and flying and it was often commented on how ropey it looked. You certainly wouldn’t have got me in it.
Nor is this the first crash he has had, but his third. His second was a heavy tail strike on landing in a Piper Pa-28 or something similar that bounced thing down the runway and ripped off the nose wheel.
A bit of a chequered flying history, but he’ll be fine which is the main thing.
Where is it now?
It looked like it! I took off offset from it and had a close look from above. Lucky comes to mind.
They run in at around 75- 80 knots.
The air has more than enough density at 4000m (13,000 feet) to support the weight of the aircraft and it’s load.
The issue with aircraft used for jumping is keeping increased minimum airspeed in check (when people are holding on from outside) and keeping check on where the weight of all those moving skydivers is going (the jumpers need awareness on this as well). Combine the two (I’ll use a Cessna C208 B as an example) together and it can get out of the pilots control quite easily.
I’m getting off of the topic now as it looks like the main door was closed in this incident. I am a skydiver, so I am trying to use my experiences and understanding to and get some insight across on how skydiving operations work and how we and aircraft interact. :). It has been a bad year for the sport in general world wide :(.
Let’s just be careful with what the media says. When skydiving makes the news in a negative fashion here in the UK, it is over sensationalised. Sadly it isn’t a sport known about, or understood, by those out side of it.
The aircraft (that specific model, or the type in general I am not yet sure of) was operated as a ‘jump ship’ for 14 years or so. That is a long time of cycles, people hanging off of the side of it, high speed airflow entering and circulating in the cabin (assuming there is no use of an internal or external wind deflector). That MIGHT give some backing to be overloaded and one bit of fatigue too much. As for points 2 and 3, I don’t share the opinion myself. The human body will perform worse at higher altitude ( up to 15000 feet as an example) than a aircraft wing.
Let’s see what the reports say and what the survives say. Thankfully(?) POV cameras are widely used in the skydiving community, so there is a good chance of internal footage as well. I have huge sympathy for those that have to watch that footage….
BSBD to those unfortunate soles 🙁
A fairly reliable source has it that the engine malfunctioned, the aircraft began to spin shortly after and that the wing separated. It isn’t known yet if the aircraft was on (therefore set up) for run in, or whether the jumpers were starting to get out.
10 Jumpers on board with systems weighing about 10-12 kg apiece, the pilot and enough fuel for a couple of cycles, should all fit within the gross maximum weight (assuming the re-enforcement kits were used).
Lucky ******! There have been numerous near misses between the two up in the open air, but to have a collision right above the ground. Kind of a twisted sense of irony.
Thankfully both walked away from it. Not knowing the outcome before seeing the photos I was expecting the jumper to have suffered leg and spinal injuries.
Rather them than me
Hello all. I’ll reply broadly to the whole thread.
The equipment that was almost certainly used would have been designed for BASE jumping. Although the principles of use and operation are very similar to ‘normal’ skydiving rig, they do not contain a reserve canopy. They are next to useless owing to the low heights BASE jumpers and these types of wing suiters deploy at. A rectangular reserve (round ones are not used in the civilian sector) requires about 500 feet to fully inflate. BASE jumps take place well below this height. It is part of the appeal of BASE and not having a back up.
You possibly could wear a more conventional rig but then that detracts from the idea of opening the canopy very close to the ground. As far as I know, standard systems are not used for it.
The wing-suit element, or proxi-flying as it as know, is really starting to gain popularity. Some people have taken to it so much they have a celebrity like status with the skydiving/ BASE world. For some it becomes their career and life through sponsorship. It is however very dangerous. Flight paths are scouted out for sometimes weeks at a time to make sure the route is safe and passable. However the human factor cannot be controlled, or other variables like the weather.That doesn’t stop a lot of people doing it and getting in to it. The pilots that do it have experience behind them from being in the sky. I very much doubt people just put on a suit and chuck themselves down a mountain. They are easy to fly once you are taught how to use them, but they can make things go wrong pretty quickly too.
Some people embrace it, some people watch and other people shun it. Whatever the take, we all have one life. We might as well enjoy it in what ways we can.
Very sad indeed. My thoughts to the friends and families of the lost ones. I skydive myself and the community in the UK will be saddened.
It looks like it’s made of Lego!
Sounds like the stick needs adjusting in the calibration window, years since i touched it, but it uses il2 as the engine i believe, register and ask here, they are very good at this type of problem
Just to let you know, Tony. The development team dropped the IL2 engine and made their own from scratch 🙂