Your reputation for discrediting anything you don’t like doesn’t help. :rolleyes:

Look harder, most RuN compilation sites (globalsecurity, wikipedia, warfare.ru) list at least 2 vessels as possibly being modernized. And don’t bother whining about sources.

http://russianforces.org/blog/2004/04/typhoon_submarines_decommissio.shtml

[QUOTE=Stonewall;1289757]Big Russian flotilla heads for Syrian port

DEBKAfile’s military sources disclose that a powerful Russian naval contingent, led by the aircraft carrier Admiral
Kuznetsov, left Murmansk on the Barents Sea Aug. 18 destined to dock at the Syrian Mediterranean port of Tartus
Saturday, Aug. 23. It includes the Russian Navy’s biggest missile cruiser Moskva and at least four nuclear missile
submarines

DEBKA is full of bull****. Try doing a deployment from the Brents Sea to Syria in 5 days..

Krivak, a reconstruction/rebuild I assume.

Thats actually a pretty good series of photos. It is interesting that there does seem to be a slight bias towards ASW is the ships that are getting this attention. It would be interesting to know whether there are any system upgrades and if so to what extent?

It is of course worth mentioning that the youngest Krivak II hull is now 25 years old.

Edit: Closer inspection leads me to believe this is the Druzhny which would make her a Krivak I and 33 years old! That is a pretty old hull (especially given what has happened to much younger Russian navy units) and one has to wonder whether she really is being refitted or sent for scrap, the upper works certainly look a mess……..anyone have any details?

If this is Druzhny then take a look at her in google earth: http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/placemarks/968528-Moscow.kmz In the river outside Moscow! Probably planned preserved and converted into museum. You have an old Tango submarine down the river as well.
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/3694102.jpg Here you have an image of her linked in google earth.

note my edited awnser above

Thank you for a very good explanation of the differences between the different Kirov’s. I agree, the two hulls in Pacific are probably the same ship.

What about the SSV-33, is she in same bad shape as the Kirov’s or is she maintained better? How old is the command ship, and has she refuled her reactor? Has spared parts for Lazarev been used on this ship?

Edit: Did a google search, due to high operating costs, SSV-33 was laid up.

—> What in the world is this then? http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=43.126617,132.331266&spn=0.005708,0.010042&t=h&z=17

Good question.. length measured to be about 250 meter, so at least the length seem to be about the same. Could it be the fifth Kirov hull, “Dzerzhinsky”, later renamed “Kuznetzov” – Cancelled Never finished according to wikipedia. I cant see any VLS cells on this ship, maybe they never got that far. Not much paintjob done on the helipad either, the hull looks kinda unfinished so maybe…Will see if I can find out more about this one..

Aircraft Carrier May Go to Russian Navy

http://www.kommersant.com/p-12082/military-technical_cooperation/

The aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov will be delivered to the Russian Navy instead of going to India after modernization. A source within the Russian military-industrial complex told RBK that Russia and India are now reaching an agreement on changing the conditions of the 2004 contract for the ship’s overhaul. Under that contract, India received the hull without charge on condition that it be modernized at Sevmashpredpriyatie. The value of that contract was $1.5 billion.
According to unofficial information, negotiations are currently underway to expand the value of the contract by about $1 billion. “That question is being worked out. If a compromise is not found with India, the aircraft carrier will probably be purchased by the Russian Navy,” the source said.

The Admiral Gorshkov was built in 1978 as the Baku. Its name was changed in 1991. It will be equipped with Russian-Indian Bramos missiles and Russian or Israeli air defense systems after modernization.

Maybe the best solution!

Par for the course.

Funny, acording to warfare.ru: “The Amur class is a Relatively small, general-purpose repair ships; carry extensive spare parts supplies.”
and they cant fix a broken enginge?
Propulsion: 2 diesels, 1 shaft, 3,000 bhp, 14 knots
Crew: 210 + 210 passengers/transients
Cargo: 280 tons spares
Both diesels down? Must be a power-generator broken or something.

Sign me up on that list Gollevainen, tired of they’r pissing contest. Back to topic! :dev2: