RE: I know this can sound stupid but I think it will be quiet efective.
You have my support Kabir, it sounds like a fantastic idea!
RE: Ugliest Aircraft?
I’m glad the HS Trident has been mentioned. I fondly remember BEA examples flying into Birmingham in the seventies and I loved the shape of this little tri-jet – the 3b was a fantastic looking aircraft.
The Trident also had what one would call ‘different’ landing gear. The nose wheel was centered off to one side of the fueslage.
The main reason they were retired early was because BA was introducing large numbers of 737’s and 757’s which could do the same job as the Trident fleet, but much cheaper, ie fuel consumption and less noise.
I admire the fact that another British built legend, the BAC 1-11, still flies on today. Although there are few left in service, I was told by one BA captain in 1990 that the aircraft could go on forever because of the strong airframe it has. Obviously the aircraft are deemed too noisy now, and I miss them very much as they are scarce at UK airports. BA used to have 13 based in Birmingham in 1991, they were replaced by the 737 at the end of 1992.
I am also sad to see the numbers of L-1011’s and DC-10’s dwindling from airline fleets, as well as the A300.
It won’t be long until the oldest 757’s, 767’s and A310’s are scrapped too.
RE: Would you…….?
The FAA are a strange bunch at times. When the DC-10 was having problems in the seventies, it was grounded until the problems were sorted out.
Yet, there have been over 90 total hull losses in the world 737 fleet and at least three fatal accidents involving these aircraft have not been fully explained. But, the 737 continues to fly with an astonishing mute response from industry insiders into why there are still unexplained accidents.
Whilst I want to see Concorde in service right now, I think it was wise to ground the fleet until the cause of the Paris crash was solved. We are talking about people’s lives here, and just one person, yet alone 100, is worth far more than an airliner.
RE: Would you…….?
I would fly on Concorde tomorrow if it came back into service. The aircraft is fantastic, and despite its age, it is perhaps the most advanced looking jet flying.
We should all support the Concorde when it comes back into service, it is a marvel of engineering and if I ever met the design team I would buy them all a beer!
Let Concorde prove the scaremongers wrong, I can’t wait for her to grace the skys again.
RE: Ugliest Aircraft?
This is starting to turn into a heated debate!! Although I would say the Il-62 is not attractive, I can understand if someone like the aircraft too. I wouldn’t class the aircraft as the most hideous machine I have ever seen, but it is my least favorite jetliner.
Personally (and I have said it before more than once on this forum in the past) the B757 is my favourite airliner. Yet, I can understand why some people would find it unattractive, it does look a bit “thin” from certain angles.
I am a regular airliner photographer and I know a photogenic aircraft when I see one. It is not just the design of the aircraft itself which can make it look fantastic or not, it can often be down do the airline colour scheme too. A 757 looks brilliant in Monarch Airlines colours, but then the present British Airways colours do not suit it at all.
RE: LHR – Terminal 5?
Like it or not, if you travel by air often into and out of the UK, there will be a chance you’ll fly from Heathrow. It has the greatest choice of routes out of any UK airport and is a world gateway. Hence why it is so crowded.
The existing terminals will (and often already) suffer from overcrowding at peak times and anyone with any sense will tell you that sort of environment is stressful for anybody waiting for a departure. Unless you fly business class of course….
Terminal 5 will have to be built. There is space for this new terminal and it will be geared to suit the next generation of aircraft such as the A380.
As for runway slots, well, I don’t have a direct solution for that one. Perhaps some carriers should look at stansted…
RE: Ugliest Aircraft?
Actually, I’ve changed my mind! I’ll replace the 737 with the Il-62. Now that is a horrible aircraft….
RE: Ugliest Aircraft?
It is a matter of personal opinion, what one person could fing ‘ugly’ could be the favorite of someone else.
I don’t like to use the term ‘ugly’, but I would say in my own opinion that the least attractive aircraft is the B737-100/200. They look OK from certain angles, but they look too dumpy for my liking. Still, in their day they did their job well and that is why Boeing sold 1,114 of them. I still wouldn’t call them ugly though.
Regards,
V1
RE: A380
Have you heard the dimensions for the A380??? A length of 241ft, wingspan of 264ft and a height of 80ft!!!! This aircraft is bloody enormous!
I knew it was going to be a big bird, but a 264ft wingspan? Will some airports find that a bit difficult when one of these double deckers is parked up at the gate? Considering that a 747-400 has a span of around 211ft, the A380 is quite a step up in size.
Good to see Virgin putting an order in for them. With Emirates and SIA commiting to the aircraft already, I don’t think it will be long until a glut of other major carriers order the aircraft. I used to think it would fail, but I must now eat my words. It looks as if Airbus is onto another winner.
Could this be the swansong for the 747 series? Boeing need to do more than give the aircraft a stretch, no matter how new the 747-X will be, it must be argued that the design is still centered on an aircraft that first flew way back in 1969.
I am surprised at the designation of the A380 too, I thought it would have emerged as the A350. Perhaps Airbus has a few ideas in the pipeline which could become the A350, 360 and 370. Just a thought.
It is also good to see that the A380 project will create up to 22,000 jobs in the aerospace industry. The future is bright, the future is Airbus.
RE: Flight Simulations
Flanker 2.0? Bloody excellent flight sim. I bought it about six months ago and it is a masterpiece. Difficult to get into, but ultra realistic. I’m not usually one for playing combat flight sims, but the main reason I bought it was because the SU-27 and it’s family are my favourite military aircraft.
RE: How is Turkish Airlines ?
Whoops!! Pardon me. I was referring to the message left by Kabir, sorry Keltic!
RE: How is Turkish Airlines ?
I have never flown with THY, but they are universally considered to be an average airline. Not brilliant, but not awful either.
Keltic, I find it amusing that you state the THY crew taxied the aircraft as if they were racing. Have you ever flown with Ryanair? If you want to experience breakneck taxi speeds, fly with them!!! I’m surprised their poor old 737’s can take the stress of it. When taxying on departure from Birmingham about three years ago, I though we were going to tip over when we turned onto another taxiway! Nice smooth landing in Dublin though, for a 737 at least.
RE: British Charter
Interesting that you point out B-Cal One-elevens. When BA took B-Cal over, they took on quite a few of their -500 series machines and based them at Birmingham, my local airport. These aircraft have since long gone, replaced by the B737-200, and now the 737’s have been replaced by the A319!
The One-eleven was a nice aircraft, but those Rolls-Royce Spey engines really made one hell of a noise on take off. It is nice to see a few of them still flying though, especially considering that most examples are approaching 30 years of age!!
RE: Aviation books
Well, in the UK a publisher called Airlife churns out some good material. They do produce quite a few ‘photo’ orientated books by Robbie Shaw, though some of the photographs are excellent. They also have an ‘Airlife’s Airliners’ series dedicated to the history of specific comercial aircraft. I have the one about the Tristar, which is excellent, and I wish to acquire the book in the same series about the B767.
RE: British Charter
The situation in Spain sounds quite bad. It is interesting that you should mention Iberia swallowing everything up. In the UK, British Airways has been doing similar things. Trace this back to 1988 when they took British Caledonian to 1992 when Dan Air fell victim to them. In the past six years, several independant UK carriers have lost their identity thanks to BA, becoming franchise carriers. Airlines such as Brymon still exist to an extent, but all of their aircraft carry full BA colours and have BA flight codes, as well as cabin crew. Not to mention the fact that all their flights are promoted as BA flights.
Some in the industry believe that BA was partly responsible for the collapse of Air Europe, and do you remember Laker? Pushed out of the market by the ‘big boys’.
Regards,
V1