Nice picture with 3 F 35B

2. It’s hard to believe but that’s what it can do — 1.2M with one EFT and 6 a2a missiles.

I didn’t find anything official about this.

3. And that was my point.

And i agreed. I add the detail about the F 16 because any time the F 16 “supercruising” capability was mentioned, the word clean was present
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Gripen has very low drag also in some non-clean configs; this is demonstrated by the information from Saab that one drop tank adds 1000 km to the range.

What type of tank? the new 450 gal or the old one?

I would think that in particular the one tank + 6 a2a missiles config has very low drag. This is consistent with the fact that NG can SC>1.2M in that config as well, even in spite of being powered by the relatively weak F414.

It’s hard to believe that it can do 1.2M with one EFT.

F-16 is said to also be able to SC, however I have (so far) not seen any claims that the F-16 would be able to SC>1.2M in such a config, in spite of having a stronger engine. Perhaps the explanation is that Gripen has less drag in that config than the F-16.

No one said that –the F 16 blk. 50-52 can do this but clean.
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It’s with one tank:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://defesabrasil.com/site/noticias/projeto-f-x2/gripen-ng-brasil-sera-mais-nacional-do-que-o-amx-diz-saab.php&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dgripen%2Bng%2Bsupercruise%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26tbo%3Dp%26tbs%3Dqdr:m&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhgOInHZbdtEkTbO_mrQshaGU5BKVg

Yeah, sure :p maybe go in with 3 EFTs, drops 2EFTs, stays on station with 1 EFT… more plausible.
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You named it. They work OK when they’re used the way they were designed to be used. That means against reasonably concentrated vehicle groups/ columns. Unfortunately for you, this is exactly what you rarely get to see in asymmetrical combat. Therefore I agree with djcross, a cold war relic.

The idea is that tanks/APCs stay grouped, otherways there are dead meat. And about asymetrical combat, many people believe that all future conflicts will be against Talibans or similar. Not to mention that modern ammo (JDAM) + Special forces did work pretty well in 2001 in A-stan.

And you are right, many weapons available today are cold war relics. They combine destructive power often thousands times greater than needed with target detection/recognition capabilities far below requirements. Your forces are perfectly capable to destroy pretty much anything. The problem is, they just don’t know what to destroy.

Well, at least the SFW did know what to destroy. As well as JDAMs/LGBs with targeting pods.
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/f414.htm

read about step C..

Future potential, yes, but for now, the EPE is ground-tested at 26,000.
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An old one, but I’d like to to see this one realised.:)

Just one litle remark: the 26.000 F 414 is EPE (enhanced performance engine). The D in EDE is from durability, and this variant has the same thrust asthe vanilla F 414.

But I agree, a Gripen with a 26.000 lbs engine would be a beast.
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Which of course is the far-out ‘estimated’ avg price and one based on 2,440 total US buys. So, “…the 125 mil is the estimated program unit cost…”, one which is unable to be banked on and one unfortunately based on unrealistic procurement wishes.

Thus, we will very unfortunately not see close to 2,400+ US F-35s being procured, nor an avg program unit Cost anywhere as low as $125m.

A misconception still and official major miscalculation regarding assumed tacair recapitalization and air combat command planning. ‘Staying the course’ will produce unintended consequences with significant ramifications, by default. (Regardless of how good an actual technical capability will be in an eventual, Fully Operational Capable block V F-35 model, by early 20s).

Whatever the final program unit cost of F 35 will be, the point is that in order to compare apples to apples you should double the “30 mil”-“55 mil” price of the F 18 C/E.
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