I’ve never claimed that Romania owes anything. Don’t misrepresent me.
Since you accept that the money is there for Romania to take, & the problem (the extent of which is disputed – see below) is in Romania not using it, I don’t see what you’re complaining about.
I’m not complaning of anythig. i was replying to :
what I find a bit out of line is that a country receiving so heavy financial help to bring it to other european countries’ economical level doesn’t even take time to consider a european product…
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actually, the gripen would probably be a much better choice, typhoon and rafale being way too expensive.
What’s funny is to hear you envision buying the F-35… so much for “economic” decision… anyway, it’s not on this forum that we will change that. today’s romanian leaders do whatever they can to please the US… if you like having 30 years old aircraft (not even updated), tehre are several countries that could have given similar stuff to you. The US don’t care giving them for nothing… they’re scrap metal today, anyway. What they do care is taht you come back later and pay stuff more than it’s worth.. and that’s where you’re going, like it or not
The (future) F 35 buy is a wish, not sure thing, depending on the economy recovery, and is ~ 2020. And, yes, it will still be less expensive than EF/Rafale.
The decision was a political one. It’s clear that the miltary relation with US is more important than with EU.
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1) I find that very hard to believe. Can you provide any evidence?
Pana acum nu am reusit sa atragem decat 1,3 miliarde de euro in trei ani, 2007-2009 ,in conditiile in care contributia Romaniei la bugetul Uniunii Europene a fost dubla – aproape de 3,2 miliarde de euro”, explica Adriana Rosoga, redactor la Ziarul Financiar
Translation: Until now we manged to absorb 1.3 billion Euro in 2007-2009 while the Romanian contribution to EU budget was 3.2 billion Euro. Source: http://www.incont.ro/fonduri-investitii/romania-nu-stie-cum-sa-atraga-banii-europeni-am-putea-pierde-toate-fondurile-ue.html
But yes, that’s the “merit” of inept goverment(s), not EU foult.
The profits obtained by EU companies, banks from France, Austria, utilities companies from France or Germany (E.ON and GDF Suez) oil company (Austrian OMW) auto maker (Renault) cement (Lafarge) retail (Carrefour, Cora) auto parts (Continental, Draxmaier, Hella) in Romania was ~ 4 bn Euro (in 2009, a crisis year!). Needless to say that most of these companies (utilities, oil, cement) purchased their Romanian assets at prices so low that they recovered their investmnsts in 2-4 years.
In 2009, the trade deficit with EU was > 3 billion Euro (no export taxes for EU products); before acces in EU the trade balance was always positive.
Do you still believe that Romania owes something to EU?
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Soo . . . according to you, we put money into an account for you, & you fail to spend it. Whose fault is that? There was and is ‘heavy financial help’. If Romania chooses not to use it . . . . well, there’s nothing we can do about that.
According to the EU commission, Romania is spending most of the very large sums it receives from the EU. Where it doesn’t reach the places it’s meant for, as with much of the agricultural aid, that’s usually due to it being stolen by corrupt Romanian officials & politicians. Yes, some isn’t being spent, & eventually reverts to the EU – but don’t blame the EU for that. And don’t blame the EU when your government can’t put together a plan for spending the money offered, or show that you’ve taken measures to prevent it being stolen, & it’s therefore withheld. You get organisational & financial aid for planning & anti-corruption measures, as well – but you have to accept it, & use it, or it ain’t any use.
Same (actually, a bit worse) for Bulgaria.
The fact is that right now Romania is a net contributor to EU budget.
BTW, when Romania purchased (without any competitive procedures) two crappy fregates from the world champion in bribing (aka BAE Systems), no one in EU protested. When EADS received a 650 mil Euro contract (of course, without bid) for securing the borders, the champions of fair trade in Bruxelles didn’t say a word. But when the villans Americans receive a contract, suddenly it’s the end of the world. I’m not pleased that for economic reasons the F 16 are second hand, but as a taxpayer, I would have been furious to know that some crappy Eurocanards were prefered to the future (new) F 16 and F 35. Live with that: no Eurocanard for Romania. 😀
PS: no problems between Romania and Bulgaria
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what I find a bit out of line is that a country receiving so heavy financial help to bring it to other european countries’ economical level doesn’t even take time to consider a european product…
when UK buys the JSF, it’s their money, their “business”… I’m not so sure it’s the same for the romanian “f-16 budget”
There was no “heavy” financial help from EU to Romania. Due to our Government(s) incompetency, less than 10 % of the EU financial help was absorbed. The Romanian contribution to the EU budget is significantly bigger than the amount received, so Romania is a net contributor, right now. On the contrary, EU companies enjoyed big profits from their operations in Romania. No one here feels that we owe anything, and in any case, the relations with US are much more important security wise.
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Alas, that story is practically impossible, Romania has even agreed to host ICBM interceptors as part of US defense shield against Russia, so …
Those interceptors are not against russia.
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I don’t think the MKI took part in DACT….if they did what where the ROE’s and where they part of the blue or red force?
The F15/MKI training sorties were before the Red Flag, at Mountain Home AFB, Idaho, where the IAF stayed for a couple of days to become accustomed with USAF procedures.
So, there were no ‘Blue” or “Red” as in the Red Flag.
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The colonel clearly made some mistakes (Israeli radars on MiG 21, Tumansly engines on Flankers; he also said that F 15K has AESA and Israeli targeting pod and jammers).
Those aside, I think that Indian reaction was hysterical:
-He didn’t “thrashed” IAF; on the contrary he considers IAF as professional & disciplined;
-He clearly states that the Su 30 MKI is a better plane than the F 15 and F 16;
-He said that MiG 21 Bison is a potent threat.
Now, what really made the Indians crazy was the fact that MKIs were defetead in DACT. It’s not the end of the world, guys…
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When a situation develops, none is going to idle around, they will at minimum use military setting.
The reason pilots weren’t at supersonic at all times 20 years ago is because they couldn’t, a fighter consumes fuel too bloody fast on A/B, while cruise OTOH is too bloody slow.
The solution for todays fighters is supercruise.
The F 22 can supercruise. It does not do it duroing the entire mission. According to Air Force Association (semi-oficial) data, the F 22 has a combad radius of 400 Nmiles. Within those, only 100 Nmiles are SC. Also, it can fly 500 nmiles including 50 Nmiles SC, or ~ 600 Nmiles in subsonic. So, the SC will cut the flying time in half.
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considering these “performance claims”, I guess we’ll still be here arguing for years.. until some F-35’s finally come to their units and (some time later again) they start facing other aircraft.. then we’ll have a clearer picture of what they can or can’t do.
thing is, even LM’s aim was, they admitted, to match F-16’s performance, not get better.. and for a strike aircraft (which it is, even if some politicians/airforces believe they buy an “all rounder” ) it’s not bad.
The F 16 is not far from EF/Rafale/NG is terms of sustained maneuvrability and acceleration. The F 35 will combine the acc. ans sust. mmaneuvrability of the F 16 with a 55 deg. AoA capability.
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And this claim is based on what? Wishful thinking?
I already posted 2-3 times the charts from AvWeak.
Altitude certainly matters as well and while the F-35 might accelerate quite well in that speed range at low altitudes, it will probably struggle more to do so at higher altitudes.
The mentioned charts were for 30,000 fts.
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That should be “where most of the fights has take place.”
With the introduction of F-22 and other supercruisers, we see a shift towards supersonic fights, and will undoubtedly become hypersonic fights in another few decades.
Even the F 22 don’t supercruise for 3/4 of the mission duration.
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An F-16 will go from 0.8 to 1.2 in under 30 seconds at 30,000ft!
That’s a clean f 16. And the AA1 it’s not the operational configuration. That would be the AF1.
Actually, in the subsonic/low supersonic (where most of the fights take place) the F 35 actually will outaccelerate a clean Rafale, a clean Gripen a clean Su 30 and an EF with EFTs.
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Does the F-22 ring a bell? :dev2:
Well, US can afford actions that Slovakia can’t…
…must have been of of those low-grade exports. :diablo:
A country must export the best it has, nevertheless…