Once again the JSF weight may very well be dictated by the performance parameters, not by the need to shed weight.;)

The one variable that is ‘mobile’ is performance, especially the software and its ability to perform certain functions, this is where the future savings will be made as it tried to avoid the death spiral, just watch out for it.

I’m amazed by the continued upbeat outpourings that come from the JSF apologists, if they could just say the program is in trouble but they hope it can be turned around then I think we could all agree with that.

but despite the cosy increases, the delays, the restructuring, the sackings, they continue to assert everything is ontrack and under budget!!!.

Something has to give in this program – whats your guess as to what it will be.?,
Cheers

Let’s stick to the topic. Cola posted the clip with F 35 flying along the F 16 both in AB and his deduction was that, contrary to what test pilot(s) say, the F 35 need AB when the chasing F 16 do. I thing he is wrong

Delays, cost increases are normal for every fighter program as big and ambitious as the F 35. And they have nothing to do with needing or not needing the AB.

They will be squadronS of Su-50’s (150/200) flying, thats thier plan,
historucally speaking, the Russkies have ALWAYS had better pilots than U.S.
Of the Allies in WW2 the best “Aces” goes like this:

1. USSR

2. U.K.

3. U.S.

So “Historically” speaking, I expect Russia to catch “BACK” up AND surpass U.S.A./ NATO for the coming WW3.;)

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Arrogance has nothing to do with being from the US or not.

The US currently disposes of a fleet of 522 F15C/D, 1,280 F16C/D and 137 F22.

1,939 operational a2a, i’m being generous with the F16’s, and including the F22’s, of which how many are combat capable?

You could include the 223 F15E’s if you were really stretching it, giving you 2,162 aircraft.

All of those aircraft when tasked a2a can carry at least 6 aam’s.

Not being generous it is 659 a2a dedicated aircraft, including the F22’s of which a number are know to be non combat coded.

Source: http://www.af.mil/

As somebody else pointed out when exactly will they all be lined up together awaiting the opposition coming over the hill?

The F22 which is held up as the king of a2a carries 8 aam’s.
Now why would that be?

With reference to the non existence of other “stealth” fighters, how many F35 are in service right now?

– I see you excluded US Navy. I know that SH is not exactly #1, but still there are 400 of them, not to count the older F 18C/D. So the figure I mention is correct;
– Of course not all these A/C are not “combat coded” (the oficial term is PMAI); but that also true for any AF arounf the globe;
– the fact that it can carry 8 AAMs is the last reson F 22 “is held up as the king of a2a”;
– the problem is not that there is no F 35 in service, but how long will take for another country to have on operational VLO fighter.

I don’t see him claiming it’s an american site. Do you? (of course, it wouldn’t be the first time you attribute people things they never said)

Also, it doesn’t exactly take for too much luck to find such people in its pages. A better informed person would know.

He didn’t claim that it’s a US site, but he said that we only need to go to F-16.net to get an estimate of the general reaction to the PAK FA of the US military aviation community. Trying to find US military aviation community on F 16.net…There are only 1 or2 fomer US F 16 pilots that post. BTW their positions are very balanced towards nonUS stuff.

Being moderate is one thing (and a good thing IMHO); Being stupid is another. Many people in f-16.net are moderate and that’s nice. But there are others who don’t see beyond their Uncle Sam’s noses, like the guy comparing the PAK FA only with the Super Hornet in terms of… stealth. That is just that: Stupid.

Agree. But if that poster said that the prototype is comparable with the SH in RCS, he may have a point. OTOH, the final product (the oprational T 50 or whatever they name it) will probaly be more VLO than the SH. I don’t know about F 22/F 35 though.

Your coffee was not too good this morning, was it? :p

Why are you so agressive towards people that don’t share your opinions or preferences?

LOL, kid.
Neither mr.Beesley, nor other officials (to may knowledge) claimed that.
You need to learn to interpret what has been said, before parroting something.

Yes, he said :

I continue to be impressed with the performance of the aircraft. The F-16s flying chase don’t have near the fuel capacity or payload capability as the F-35. The Lightning II does very well in comparison. For example, the F-35 often forces the chase aircraft into afterburner when it is in military power

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/archives/2007/articles/apr_07/flighttest/index.html

I’ll put my money on Beesley. He may know a thing or two about planes…

A performancewise detail of JSF.

At 2:16, it’s clearly visible that trailing two-seat F16 engages AB after the F35 and disengages it immediately after F35 does the same.
The important point is F16 carries 2 fuel tanks.

This clearly contradicts claims that F35 is in superior to F16, performancewise (accel, climb, etc…).

Wow, you expose those crooks…What if the scenario for that flight imposed the use of AB?

Slightly arrogant that, not a very healthy attitiude as history has shown time and time again.
Having a limited number of the latest uber weapon isn’t any good if the opposition has thousands of cheap “disposable” kit, your one or two uber weapons will simply be overwhelmed.

I’m not from US, so you comment about arrogance is misplaced. However, US has now ~ 2500 4th gen. fighters, aside the ~ 180 Raptors contracted. Again, what country can field more?

If the US can develop kit discretely (F117, B2, and various other bits and pieces) what evidence do you have that others can’t.

The “black project” share in US defence budged is comparable with the entire defence budget of large countries. In 2010 the sum is ~ 50 billion $! As I said, stealth fighters don’t appear out of nowhere. Of course, China will build it’s J XX but not right now.