An interesting general observation.
However the original post does read
No mention of posthumously
Moggy
*** Most aircrew were very superstitious, & I feel would be very reluctant to ‘strip’ their ‘well worn wings’ off of their battledress in fear of their ‘luck running out’ & getting the ‘big chop’, therefore it seems to me that Gibson would not have been any different in that respect. Could it be that they were a ‘spare set’, or he bought them for the specially for the occasion?
Dustyone
Gibsons wings
Guy Gibson was almost certainly wearing his battledress uniform, with his wings sew on at the time he was killed, they would have been the ones most used by him, therefore would have been burned in the resulting crash in Holland (?), any other wings he would have had would have been on his ‘best blues’ uniform for formal dress occasions, & seldom used on operations
Dustyone
That would be RAF Northolt. 😉
Even if you are allergic to Wikipedia, the reference at the end would be of use.
***** An ‘N’of course, — caused through a spot of ‘finger trouble’ — it can happen to us all!!!
Dustyone
Can anyone tell us what trips the aircraft made and what is the colour scheme that it is painted in?
***** All the Lancasters with 7 – 49 – 214 FMS & 148 Sqns based at Upwood, & which I worked on, were Matt Black underside — Matt White all top surfaces, — (know as ‘Far East’ scheme) code letters, A/C serial Nos were Matt Black, prop.spinners were Matt White. All the A/C were B1s. — Sqn. codes were:— MG – EA – QN – & AU. — sadly non of these A/C were preserved.
The A/C. ‘call sign’ letter, (about 12 inches high) ie;-‘in this case’ G’ , was painted in Matt Black just below, & to the rear of the front gun turret either side ot the fuselage.
MG-G was on static diplay at the ‘Daily Express’ Air Pageant held at Gatwick airport on Sat July 10th 1948 where she attracted long queues who entered her through an under-nose hatch by way of a special ladder, & departed through the ‘usual’ entry/departure (starboard) rear door.
Climbing over the huge wing spar, which barred the way just to the rear of the cockpit, greatly limited movement when transiting fore & aft in the fuselage, this would have proved very hard for the unfit,or elderly, –women in long skirts & coats, or even some men (The weather that day was unseasonably cold & overcast that day so heavy clothing was being worn).
This spar even proved to be a challenge to us ‘youngsters. especially when wearing parachute harness etc etc.
This was possibly G- George’s last public appearance, & maybe she was removed by ‘Queen-mary’ to her final fate soon after.
70 to 80.000 of the public attended the pageant on that cold, overcast day.
Memories of a grand ‘Old Lady’!!!!
Dustyone
Lancaster B1
These Queen Mary trailers were photographed passing through Grantham in 1948. Can anyone identify and give the history of the aircraft they are transporting?
******I worked on this Avro Lancaster B1 (G-‘George’ PA 414) at RAF Upwood Hunts. when she was with 7 Sqdn. from 1947 until a shortly before she was ‘struck off charge’ on the 20/10/1948
Dustyone
Proctors Mk !-11-111-1V & 5
Are there many Proctors around today? Especially flyable, but also in general…
T J
There is a Mk 111 & a Mk 1V airworthy here in the UK. and at the end of 2007 there will be a Mk5, there are a few in museums in the UK – Belgium, Denmark, Australia, one or two others are flying in New Zealand & Australia, a few others are being restored in various other countries by private owners.
Dustyone
Proctors Mk 1-11-11 – 1V & 5s
My thanks Guys for those links,– much appreciated — I would love to hear of any more you might find Please
Dustyone
Thanks David – I will follow it up. I know it was with a squadron called the Metropolitan Communications Squadron – Can someone tell me what role they performed in WW2.
thanks
Ross
*******The Met.Comm. Sqdn operated out of Hortholt (London) during WW11 carrying high ranking officers etc etc between stations.
Dustyone
Proctor pics
Have photographs of all of the New Zealand registered ones.
PM me if you are interested.
***** I would like to see a pic of G-AHTV RAF P6271 military (now converted to ‘Vega’ ZK-DPP) in her original form, or any others not on Ed Coates collection which may be in personal albums etc. One of many which so far has eluded me is Mk5 G-AHTE. which a friend of mine has in pieces here in the UK.
Dustyone
Hi There,
I noticed you had no replies to this topic – perhaps it may help if you are a bit more specific:
– What do you mean by “early” – 1940s, 1950s, 1960s, 1970s?
– Civil, military, or both?
– Which area do you need them from – UK, Europe, Australia, all over the world?
– Do you want actual photos, or will links to photos on the internet suffice?The A.J.Jackson collection of photos at the Brooklands Museum has many Proctor photos – here’s a list:
http://www.ajjcollection.co.uk/P1.HTMDetails on how to obtain the photos are here:
http://www.ajjcollection.co.uk/details.htmThe Ed Coates Collection has a number of photos of Proctors in Australia – go into each list and use the “Find on this page” command to do a search for the word Proctor.
http://www.edcoatescollection.com/This was from a quick look, but if you can be more specific, I might be able to find more.
**** My thanks David for your reply, I have looked at the ‘beauty’s’ in Ed Coates sites, I would like some of 1940/49 military ones, & any others that were civilianised. I would also like pics of G-A HTE , G-AGTB – G-AGTC – G-AHTV, or in fact any personal pics.of Proctors up to 1970, from all parts of the world which are not in Ed Coates collection etc. —- photo’s would be nice — links may help, but I have searched a lot of them — who knows though, I might well have missed a few !!!
Dustyone
Beech KGM
This Beech 18 has been in these colours since at least 1986, when it was based at North Weald with The Harvard Formation team and used to simulate being ‘shot down’ at air shows by Gary Numnan in his Harvard painted as a Zero!
********Nice to see KGM (HB 275) again — I feel sure that she was at N/Weald with ‘The Harvard Formation Team’, & later ‘The Squadron’, maybe from as early as the late 1970s.
I flew in her with Anthony Hutton & Pete Treadaway in early 1987, out of N/Weald, with Gary Numan formating on our wing tip in Harvard G-AZSC. At one point he rolled over the top of us, & back into position, great stuff!!!
Sadly Pete Treadaway lost his life in the ‘Rapide’ crash at Audley End in around 1991.
The last time I saw Gary’s ‘Zero’ / Harvard it had changed it’s ‘White scheme’ into a ghastly ‘All over Black’ one. — nice to see that the ‘Mother Ship’ has retained the ‘original’ markings.
Dustyone
Can anyone give me the wartime history for my aeroplane
PERCIVAL PROCTOR MK.I H.9 R7493,G-AIEB,VH-AHY
I am rebuilding it and often wondered about its service history.
regards
Ross Stenhouse
***** Hi Ross — I have had great success in obtaining detailed history from RAF form 78, copies of which can be obtained from THE RAF Museum Hendon London. tell them what you are doing with her, & I’m sure that they will help you. Please let me know how you get on.
Dusty
RN Ptoctors
I am trying to find an unusual British military scheme for a Percival Proctor and was wondering if anyone can help? I know the Royal Navy used them and have found this photo, but I have no idea what colour it was or serial?
Does anyone know or have any photos of Royal Navy Proctors or even of RAF machines that are not silver overall or camouflaged? Apparently there was an RAF Air Commodore that had one for his personal use painted ‘pale metallic blue’ overall, but I can find no photo. Over to you?
****** Air Vice-Marshal Sir Ralph Sorley had a Mk 1V as his personal ‘Hack’, I’m not sure what colour it was though, or where it was based.
Dustyone
Proctor Mk 1V
Clearly the heading picture is fitted with a light carrier of some type. Where did the suggestion 500lb bombs and France come from? I would think the heaviest load would be anti-personel bombs or perhaps Sea Markers or Smoke bombs for training purposes rather than an attempt to sink the Bismark 🙂
John
******* The ‘bomb’ (or whatever you think it is), is clearly visable on one side of the underslung rack, the ‘500lb bomb to France’ was just a figure of speach to prove how futile such plans were.
The plans to arm light A/C with bombs were made prior to the fall of France in 1940, & the threat of invasion in Southern England increased, if you need an exact example, A/C such as Tiger Moth (EM 836) were adapted carry 8 + 20 lb bombs under the rear cockpit — they would’nt knock the paint off of the Bismark, but if they arrived at their target, would have given a few Germans some headaches !!! The Proctor in the heading pic. is clearly a Mk 1V which at that time was nowhere near ready to come into service, let alone be fitted with racks of any kind. for whaterever ‘hostile’ purpose, —-by the time the Mk1V came ‘on the scene’ there were far better types to carry out such duties.
RN Ptoctors
Very interesting Dustyone! I assumed from the b/w photos they were in RAF camouflage of dk earth/dk green with yellow undersides, but the colours you describe make more sense. Can you confirm the undersides as ‘duck egg blue’, rather than duck egg green (alias ‘Sky type S’) and do you, or anyone have any photos?
*********It’s all a very long time ago Albatross, & sadly I cannot recall the exact shade of ‘Sky Blue’,— as I recall the ‘SKY’ would be my first choice,– but the scheme was that carried by Fleet Air Arm A/C during WW11 —- The top surfaces were not Dk Earth & Green, but Battleship Grey & Green, —Oh how I wish we were allowed to take pics. & keep records, but this was forbidden during the war years.
Dustyone