Yeah … when they get them all, one hell of an Airforce with the whole 154 F-15S/SA( old ones to be modernized), the (87?) Tornado IDS GR4-like, and the at least 72 Typhoons.:rolleyes:
I seem to be recall report of the last 48 Typhoon have not been formally ordered yet. Ever since when Saudi said that they are interested in a new batch of F15, there has been doubt about the eurofighter order.
Actually in recent weeks a popular topic in Japan newspaper is that Toshiba is suing the government for canceling the recon modification deal. The defence
agency accuse Toshiba for falling to meet specification. Toshiba counter that the defence agency is constant changing the specification and some of them plainly impossible. Tokyo court has just start hearing the case.
I am not surprised they scarped the hanger at all. How practical is it to put a hanger on such small ship to begin with?
I guess it is a matter of business case. Unless a major navy adopt the 155 and absorb most of the initial development cost, no one is going to buy it. It is a quite a risk for OTO to use their own money so I also think it is a safer to go with the existing 127.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR790kK1R0E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFtBc8EN0d8Interesting, superstructure architecture seems to be inspired by the original Akizuki.
I like it. A dedicated ASW destroyer.
Btw, I think 5.000ts is too low, that class fully loaded seems closer to 7.000ts.
1. It is not a dedicated ASW destroyer. It is tasked with local area air defence. To more be specific it will used to protect Aegis destroyer when the latter is on BMD mission. ESSM is in fact capable of range well over 30km (longer than SM1 missile of the early X-X-kasa destroyer).
2. Japanese always quote standard displacement, not full displacement.
Initially I was hugely disappointed, but after thinking about it for a while I’ve come to accept the idea. While I was supporting the STOVL programme economically as making the most sense, being the cheapest in the short run even if long run costs end up being higher, I’ve wanted nothing more than for the Royal Navy to announce it was putting catapults on the carriers and for the Royal Navy to return to ‘proper’ naval aviation for the first time in thirty or so years.
Now this is happening, I consider ten years without what was only a limited carrier aviation capability a worthwhile loss if it means that by 2020 we’ll be operating F-35Cs and possibly Hawkeyes (has there been any news on the possibility of orders placed for Hawkeye out of interest?).
That is only true if nothing changes in the 2015 review.
Even the new KDX-3 cruisers and Ticonderagas?
I think the point is that the SPY1 radar, which is designed in the 70’s, is really that big and thus the structure of the ship has to be that big (or bulky) too to accommodate it. Be it the ship is designed in the late 70’s (Ticonderagas) or in the new millneimum (KDX-3). It is the same radar.
I thought the sea gripen proposal was for India? Consider how much trouble there was for the land based Tejas, looking for a back up for the naval version seems a good idea.
You almost got me.
The F-15se cannot carrying a Harpoon size weapon in the weapon bay but then again I dont think any of the steath fighter can.
I am suprised people still bring this up. Rafale was not canidate for F-X. Dassult did not submit a bit and the Japan MOD is not evaluate the Rafale. All these comparsion is done by JWing, a magazine. Actually all other avaition magazine in Japan that I can find, like Koukuu Fan or Air World, have stopped including the Rafale in their F-X related article a long time ago.
As far as I know the JASDF’s KV-107 used for SAR has the increased size sponsons.
The main reason for Kongo and Atago to have larger superstructure is actually for extra space for flag ship equipment. In the US the Arleigh Burke are “work horse” where in Japan the Aegis ships are capital ships.
This was actually not the worst situation for the JASDF yet. Last year the F-15 fleet was grounded because of an order to inspect the F100 engine. At about the same time a F-2 crashed in Nagoya resulting the F-2 fleet to be grounded for inspection. So for a considerable period of time, the entire Japan was defended by the F-4 only. Looks like the good old F-4 will just have to solider on…
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No problemo, dude.
As I was a flight-simmer, I prefer a fighter with a built-in gun, instead of in a gun pod that costs a hard-point.
Also, air-to-ship missions are rare. In the ’82 Falklands, the Super Etendards shot IIRC only five air-launched Exocets; the one that hit the HMS Glamorgan was ground-launched.
In the ’91 Second (Persian) Gulf War (or Desert Shield/Desert Storm), IIRC a Canadian AF CF-18 on SURCAP (surface CAP) strafed and fired a Sidewinder at a fleeing Iraqi gunboat, but missed.And as the AFM editors may know, I’m one of the usual suspects amongst their contributors to their “Attrition” feature.
Given the evidently excellent maintenance of the Japanese military (relative to other Northeast Asian militaries with similar US hardware, such as the South Koreans and Taiwanese), and the transparency of the Jap media, news of Jap military aviation major accidents are rare.
F-2s were in active service for years, before one was written off.
1.F35A has an internal gun. Even on the B an C model the hard point for the gun pod is essentially dedicated for the pod.
2. While anti ship missile would be a problem for internal storage, the whole idea of an stealth aircraft you can close in onto a target without it knowing i.e. you do not need standoff weapon to attack the target, be it a ship or other things.