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  • in reply to: Russian Navy News & Discussion, Part III #2019515
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    Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is a Vietnamese Gepard, the Russian one has Clubs in place of the Palma and still isn’t launched. It is under construction, almost finished as far as I know.

    in reply to: Russian Space & Missile[ News/Discussion] Part- 4 #1801243
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    Yes, and these days it is quite possible that there will be one more launch (another Bulava, Sineva, or Granats?) as there are a few more restriction zones in the coming days (they may have been there for another attempt should this one fail, but rumor is that they will also launch a Sineva).

    in reply to: US Aircraft Carrier Vulnerable #2026743
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    Well, if you could fire a Klub missile from 100 km let’s say, or at the max range of the 650mm which is even smaller, you reduce the reaction time of the escorts and you could have the missile go faster as it won’t need so much fuel + the supersonic dart covers the last 20 or 40 km. I think this is much more effective than the 650mm torpedo launched at the edge of the envelope and the carrier has less reaction time (running away, escorts launching 324mm torps), nor the ability to sacrifice a frigate or two in order to stop the torpedo if all else fails (the Klub will likely be able to differentiate the carrier from the other ships easily).
    Also, the Yasen is even larger than the 971, you probably won’t use such a sub to deliver swimmers and risk it close to the shore. It is more or less a golden fish right now.

    in reply to: US Aircraft Carrier Vulnerable #2026759
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    By the way, I have the impression that the 650mm torpedoes for the 971 are left unmodernized for the last 30 years and are 1980’s vintage, probably the boats don’t even carry them after the Kursk and the development of advanced 533mm torpedoes. If anyone has other information, please write.

    in reply to: Russian Navy News & Discussion, Part III #2028401
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    They have the short 9M96 on the 20380, its range is around 30-40 km, while Panstyr has a range of around 20 km. The thing is, if they had integrated 9M100 (the ground version of R-77) and could place 4 of these inside a single 9M96 silo, then the system would have been great. Unfortunately, as it is now it has just 12 missiles, lower kill probability than a Pantsyr, it’s more expensive, and has an unreliable radar.

    On another note, the 20380 is supposed to be the principle combatant along with 22350 in the next decade, as the new destroyers are nowhere to be seen. Thus, the ship has to be able to protect itself effectively, especially when the technology is there to be used.

    in reply to: Russian Navy News & Discussion, Part III #2028453
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    The Tor is built around a completely different ideology, to add an ARH is to build a new system altogether. The 9M96 may be a great system, but one missile alone costs (based on a bit of rumors) more that a million dollars each. Also, there are just 12 of them, which means that you could fire at around 6 targets all in all (you can’t take chances agains an antiship missile), which is a small number. Also, for the task on the corvette, you need a relatively short-ranged missile with high Pk and to have that missile in numbers. ARH is good, but at short ranges you could get better results with the likes of Pantsyr, as the ARH seeker is not as smart as that system at these ranges. Having just 12 golden bullets is NOT the way to go in defending a ship if there are better and cheaper alternatives.

    Also, the Furke itself is crap, so the problem persists. You need to start integrating a new radar, which means a lot of money and tests.

    As for the Pantsyr – if you get two modules of them, then it will have a complete coverage, probably place them 1154 style and remove the topweight problem by having the Uran/Club missiles not on top of the ship but in VLS cells in place of the Kashtan.

    in reply to: Russian Navy News & Discussion, Part III #2028456
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    By the way, the 9M96 is waay too expensive for its role on the 20380, the Panstyr rocket is something like 10 times cheaper, you could place twice the number of these on the ship, and your kill probability is higher.

    in reply to: Russian Navy News & Discussion, Part III #2028459
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    Don’t be so sure that it isn’t out of production, they might have had some of these in storage from the good old times or from decomissioned 1155s. If they had enough, they wouldn’s have placed only one Kinzhal on the Kulakov (a modernised 1155) and a Gibka in place of the other. Also, if you have a nice system like Pantsyr with much better characteristics than the Kinzhal, why not use it? There is no point in hanging on to a 1980s technology.
    As it is now, the Furke is used for target aquisition and midcourse guidance for the 9M96, which turns out to be a mistake.

    And yes, system integration appears to be a problem for most russian designs.

    in reply to: Russian Navy News & Discussion, Part III #2028467
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    The thing is, Furke doesn’t work well. If they had went with the Positiv family, things would have been much better. If they had placed the Kinzhal it would have been much better, but I think that the Kinzhal is out of production and the Pantsyr system is much better. I think that placing 9M96 on a corvette is pointless, but then that is what was done. Two Pantsyr modules would have done do job much better.

    in reply to: Russian Navy News & Discussion, Part III #2028474
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    From the second hull on the Kashtan is replaced with 12 9M96 missiless. Also, the russians seem a little bit obsessed with the idea “let’s make a cruiser out of a 2000 ton corvette”. What I mean is that the 20380 is a bit oversized for a corvette, but too crammed for a frigate.

    By the way, notice that the Novorosiisk is called a torpedo-rocket submarine, meaning that it will at least carry Clubs.

    in reply to: Russian Navy News & Discussion, Part III #2028540
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    The last info from insiders is that indeed the 20380 series will probably end soon, with the current 5 hulls or a little bit more produced. The Russian Navy is quite upset from the AAW performance of the corvette, as the Furke is a failure and the 9M96 integration wasn’t that successful. Also, there are a number of different design flaws in the 20380 concept. Of course, if there is some kind of a miracle with the tests of the second hull with 9M96 missiles, things may change a bit.
    Also, a few days ago started the construction of the first of three submarines of project 656.3 for the Black Sea Fleet. There are rumors for 1135.6 for the Black Sea Fleet, but nothing substancial yet.

    in reply to: Russian Navy News & Discussion, Part III #2035002
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    No Medvedka on the 20380 corvettes, just Paket-NK and probably later on 91R in UKSK.
    The medium range SAM is 9M96 and the short range is 9M100.

    in reply to: Russian Navy News & Discussion, Part III #2035010
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    Poliment is more or less the equivalent of AEGIS.
    9M96 is the small missile form S-400 with active radar seeker, 9M100 is the land launched variant of the R-77.
    91R is not part of the Medvedka, Medvedka is all but forgotten. 91R is part of the Club system and fits into the universal cell UKSK.

    By the way, Furke is crap, they probably won’t use it.

    in reply to: Military Aviation News from around the world – V #2399230
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    Basicaly none at all. All of our neighbours are either allies or harmless and there are no conflicts around us. The air force is there for air policing and to keep the aviation tradition going (if a future threat occurs, it is much harder to start from scratch compared to having a few squadrons).

    in reply to: Russian Aviation News – Part Deux #2399587
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    The text says more or less that the purchase of MiG-29KUB does not mean that the Su-33 will be phased out. On the contrary, they are undergoing maintenance. Example for this is the contract for 2009-2010 for the repair of 6 Su-33 and 12 engines. The lifetime of the Su-33 will be around 26 years (production run 92-96) and this means that they will be serving until 2022.

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