And that is the reason because from 1970 onward (with Viggen) they have begun to put canard or also simply strakes (like on Mirage 2000) on them.
So we are discussing on an issue that was solved more than 45 years ago?
Close coupled canard, strake help create vortex to increase CL , the same function as LERX on normal wing. So they both have mean to improve their coefficient but normal wing start off from higher value.
That’s why delta was created…
And delta wing have lower CL than normal wing, that why it need high AoA at low speed.
@halloweene
Generally speaking, wing is-by far- the part of the plane that will have the best Cz. Hence larger wings = Better Cz of an airframe.
No, larger wing does not equal bigger CL. Wing with bigger area need to be thinner and has higher sweep angle so as to not increase drag too much
has poor wing loading,limited G handling
Wing loading comparisons are irrelevance without knowing lift coefficient. F-35 has also been tested to 9.9G
poor daytime visibility,limited internal weapons
F-35 uses similar canopy design as PAK-FA and it has DAS that provide 360 degrees visibility
extended internal carry is coming too
The F-35 program office is looking at adding capacity for another AIM-120 AMRAAM radar-guided air-to-air missile in each of the jet’s two weapons bays, increasing internal—and thus stealthy—missile loadout by 50 percent, program director Lt. Gen. Christopher Bogdan said March 22. Speaking with reporters after his speech at a McAleese/Credit Suisse conference in Washington, D.C., Bogdan said, “There is potential … to add a third missile on each side.” The upgrade would likely be part of the Block IV program of F-35 enhancements, but “that’s something I know the services and all the partners” are interested in. Bogdan said this would not require some special version of AMRAAM, but “the same AMRAAM missiles that we carry today, just an extra one; probably on the weapons bay door.” The F-35 can carry two AMRAAMs in each bay now, or a mix of AMRAAMs and Joint Direct Attack Munitions internally.
huge IR footprint
F-35 has high bypass engine, nozzle with vanes for cooling air ,the nacelle bay has 2 cooling scopes



The serrated nozzle help cut down the exhaust’s plume length
@halloweene
it is paper , not internet ste. Won’t spend my time scanning nit for you, take it or leave it. The first in last out referred to playtime.
It takes 5 seconds to take a photo, basically you don’t even see the paper and just repeat what heard from someone else. There is no mention of Rafale being first in, last out of the threat area either. Most interesting can mean dozens of things.
As usual, denial..; However. Raids Aviation, n° 30, JUN/JUL 2017, p. 56 line 1 “The Rafale had the most inttersting playtime thanks to the use of 3 suersonic 1200L tanks”. clear enough? Referenced enough?
Put the link here or the screen shoot like normal people when they reference.
And what part of that sentence said Rafale was the first in and last out of the threat area?
@Msphere
ROTFL.. From an F-35 fanboy that’s almost insulting
Oh please,
F-35 pilots stories are real interviews that either video recorded or published by many popular magazines. There are evidences that the interview at least exist.
By contrast many Rafale pilots stories when they always start with one member being like “a pilot told me”, “come from this famous guys on forum”. There is no evidence that they even existed in the first place.
Can we stop with pilots stories without any evidences please?. It is annoying and doesn’t add anything to the discussion.
@Marcellogo
And the Su-34 operate in the same exact way: it’s surely much more specialized than the Su-30 (i.e the direct operative counterpart of the F-15E outside Russia), surely has more drag and a lesser T/W ratio but it share the same excellent handling performances of the rest of the Flanker family
Some words from Andraxxus
-Su-27 at full fuel has very similar sustained turn rates as F-4E at ~15% fuel.
-Su-34 adds ~6 tons to Su-27S in empty weight. At 50% fuel, Su-34 adds around 2850 kilograms to a Su-27S at 100% fuel load.
-Su-34’s aerodynamics are at best comperable to Su-27S, and possibly inferior due huge canopy, and have same/similar thrust.This tells me Su-34’s maneuverability will be pretty on F-4E levels, not comparable with F-16; unless F-16 is unreasonably too heavily loaded.
Also IF wings structure is unchanged from base Su-27, Su-34 wont have 9G limit due to 171000 kg structural lift limit, only 6Gs at 50% fuel load. Su-27’s wing structure is strong enough to provide some 3,8Gs at MTOW of Su-34 (45 tons) pretty sufficent for Su-34’s task. As there is no visual differences from outside, or any other kind of proof to indicate contrary, I don’t think Su-34’s wings are any different from Su-27.
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?136371-Russia-moving-tac-air-troops-to-Syria/page70
the F-15E can replicate a quite good portion of the performances of a Su-34 or even more of a Su-30MKI and it would surely still be capable to act as a placeholder of more A2A oriented Flankers models but in this case I would take F-15C or Typhoon instead for a more faithful representation.
Typhoon is not a faithful representation of Su-35. The different between the two is too large.
Typhoon has much better crusing speed, supersonic agility, acceleration, RCS and BVR missiles. While it has much weaker radar, slower top speed, worse post stall. Su-35 is much closer to F-15C/E
And I will however still put the Su-35, the F-22 and in future the PAK-FA or even the J-20 in just another league the same.
You don’t put F-15E and Su-35 in the same league ( because Su-35 post stall and instantaneous turn rate is better while it has worse acceleration and radar) but you put Su-35 and F-22, PAk-FA, J-20 in the same league? How is that justifiable? Su-35 is the only one without stealth, completely different fighting tactics
@Marcellogo
Said so. the F-15E is a strike plane itself, with CFT on its performances get a serious degradation when compared to a clean F-15D, more drag, way less reduced maximum speed (I think that something have been posted about it being limited to M 1,6/1,7 with them on), a way greater wing load ratio and so on.
Now, I have never heard of an F-15E going around without its CFT, also because their A2G pylons are connected to them, so I just assume that even in those exercises it went in its standard configuration.
Obviously, if someone has proof of the contrary, absolutely welcomed.
F-15E PW229 with CFT, 4 AIM-9 and 4 AIM-7 is limited to Mach 2
F-15E PW229 with CFT, 4 AIM-9 , 12 MK-82 is limited to Mach 1.7
Still, even a F-15C has several issues in confronting with a baseline Flanker when it came to aerial combat and surely the Su-35 is just another league when compared to a Su-27 also, not just to American 4 gen hardware.
IMHO even for a Typhoon i.e. the best Western 4,5 gen planes when it came to aerial combat would have a very hard task to cope with the 3D TVC ecquipped Su-35S, so let’s image a standard configuration F-15E.
baseline F-15 vesus baseline Su-27 then Su-27 beat it in instataneous turn rate, sustain turn rate of two aircraft are similar, F-15 accelerate better.
Su-35 is a heavier Su-27 with stronger engine , radar and 3D TVC, F-15E is a heavier baseline F-15 with strengthen structure to be able to pull 9G and also better engine, radar. So pitting them against each others will have similar result.
About the radar: someone has data about of the AN/APG-82 or almost of the An/APG_79 on whose processor it is based on?
Because I have tried and found none.
So, given that we have the ones about the Irbis we could made a precise comparison between them, not just say that one is better than the other just because have a different type of antenna.
AESA is better than PESA. Unless you have any evidence that some unique characteristic of irbis-e is much better than Apg-82, it safe to say that F-15E has better radar. Have i mentioned that F-15E had AWACs and air defense support ?
You mean against a 4,5 (or 5) gen plane?
The sheer lack of suicidal intention: this is precisely their own home turf, even an underpowered F/A-18 would trash it in this game.
Acceleration, climb ability of F-15 series has always been extremely good. F-18 would not trash it in vertical fight neither will Su-35
@havalara
But you do agree that you need a Jammer if you would simulate a Jammer
But F-15E has jammer, same for F-16.
@haavarla
pls stop being dense.. it may or may not accelerate slowly from the Su-35S on a straight heading, if that is what they do at Red Flag.. but i would not hold my breath about itYou still would have to turn while accelerating.. the adaptive wings and higer lift of Flanker turn it into a more efficient WVR turner, you do not have to spend the same amount of energy as a F-15E would. I thought this would be obvious.
For crying out loud, the F-104 can accelerate better than most jets, but does that mean anything, no
I didn’t deny that Su-35 can turn better. But according to most knowledgeable people that i know, F-15 can accelerate much better. What stop an F-15 pilot from playing in the vertical instead of the horizontal?.Dogfight between F-15 and F-16 is not unheard of even though F-16 can turn much better than F-15, and can accelerate better than Su-27, idk about Su-35.
Su-35S is neither as small or difficult to spot as the T-38, F-16, nor does it carry jammer as powerful as EA-18G.
F-15E has a power radar like Su-35S, carry loads of missiles, very fast and has both internal and external jammer. The turn rate would be inferior but it can carry AIM-9X so that doesn’t seem like a big deal.
@Levsha
Why would I look at a MiG-35?
Why would you reply to JSR?