If the F-35 turns away right after launch it will be detected within a few seconds by the IRST.

Why would the F-35 turning away right after it shoots its missiles ?, it can easily just reduced speed and continues guide those AIM-120. Evasion is only necessary if there are missiles launched at it

I know they have some IRSTs, but in the video they don’t have them. Any proof that they had them in RF 17-1?

Not every single aircraft participated in the exercrise will be in the video, nor woould they carry every single possible equipment in video.
Anyway , Typhoon still has IRST

Again, was the agressor considered killed right away after the F-35 launches?

I recall watching a Red Flag exercise before, where they simulated the missiles flight path

Then why does the F-15SG carry both the sniper and an IRST

Sniper-XR is Short/Mid infrared wave
Tiger Eye is Long Infrared wave

30 km detection range head on more from behind, especially if the F-35 is using its AB. If you want the AMRAAM to have a relatively good pk, the F-35 has to shoot from not too far, or the su-35 is likely to avoid them, either by turning away and accelerating, or with evasive maneuvers. And the F-35 will only have 120C for a few years.

The assumption is that F-35 will turn aways immediately after it launchs missiles, why would the pilot do that ?

Russian sales approach is very different .

If you want to troll, at least make some effort.Russian has very similar approach with HAL FGFA

It looks like no one wants to purchase aircraft from the US anymore.

Yep, no one apart from Japan , Korea , Australia , Israel , Italy , Denmark , United Kingdom , Norway , Turkey…the list go on

This makes me wonder what’s the best way to escape after launching in BVR. Turning away on AB is almost a guarantee to be detected. Maybe turning 90 degrees and escape w/o AB could be an option, but the RCS from the side is higher..

I think it depends on whether you had back up or not. If you had back up then it is good to turn 180 degrees and run because you can bait enemy fighters into your back up. Tail chase range of missiles isn’t very long in most case.
Alternatively, descent below cloud after missiles is launched is a good defense too. Cloud reduces IRST range significantly ( near useless) while you can still use your radar to guide your missiles
Side aspects has higher RCS but much lower Doppler shift

I watched that esterday:

I didn’t see any Agressor F-16 with IRSTs.

Not all agressor F-16 had the new IRST pod.

The other F-16s had sniper pods, but the sniper is not a real IRST

Pretty much the same thing. Sniper-XR has air to air mode too

That is simply untrue. “Absolute size of object” is 2nd item on the list of the “factors that influence radar returns” as per Wikipedia.

Very sneaky of you to delete others item on the list and acting like the sequence of item indicate there level of important.
You want hard data ? .Let’s Go. Here is why shaping is more important than physical size for stealth aircraft

At 0 degree or in other word perpendicular to the radar incident , RCS value is 5 dBsm
At angle of incident = 60 degrees , RCS value is -22 dBsm
The different is 27 dBsm which equal to ratio of 1 to 500.

How about RAM ?. Let take a look at an example. 3 mm thick RAM, even at 2 Ghz where most RAM lose most of their efficiency ,reflection loss is -5dB or 68%. Is there a 68% size different between PAK-FA and others stealth fighter ?

So, how it come that when I say the same things you say pointing , as an example, on the design difference between the F-22 and models actually in production, pointing out the different M.O. of all of them i’m being assaulted ? Or even worse when I actually made a post to advice the same person you criticize to calm down a little so not to waste time on some minimal difference on overall RCS, I receive a hundreds line long response by a stealth fanatic, pointing on every single bullon placement difference between PAK-FA and the almighty F-35 in order to reaffirm the Godsend gift of Stealth Superiority to the American race?

What do you mean? what is M. O? I don’t think any one react when you said F-22, PAK-FA were designed for different missions. Only when you said F-22 can’t do what it was intended to do that they react

Well what is it ?

You cant claim that the stealth requirement of the tender was made in good faith and that Sukhoi would deliver a stealth aircraft and at the same time, make it contingent on your personal inspection of the intake of the production aircraft.

There are different level of stealth, depending the requirement , there would be different designs that will be best suited for the requirement. F-35 , B-2 , X-47 , JASSM are all stealthy, but they do not have the same RCS because their requirements are different. Some need range and payload , some need maneuverability, some need to have low cost.If you want area to improve then you have to give up some other area. Is that clear ?. PAK-FA trade off some of its stealth for better kinematics, while F-35 trade off some of its kinematics for better stealth. There is no free lunch.

Given better aerodynamics

I dont think Kh-59MK2 has better aerodynamic than JSM. They only have different priority. The high aspect ratio wing of Kh-59MK2 will have less induce drag but the low aspect ratio wing of JSM will likely better for its terminal evasive maneuver

If the payload is even bigger than that and hence range shorter, then that’s because destructive power took precedence over range.

If that was the case wouldn’t my point stand ? that PAK-Fa may not have longer range A2G missiles than F-35, not that it really matter for those stealth aircraft but still. Technically speaking, you can swap out a smaller warhead for Kh-59 for longer range but i would think that it is possible to put a turbo fan engine on JSM too if they really wanted the extra range.

Quite apart from the fact that those seem to be outdated numbers referring to a variant of the original Kh-59MK with inefficient cruciform wings, going by the launch weight and wing span figures.

Shouldn’t manufacturer data is the most up to date one ? Or they have not tested the high aspect ratio version ?

errr, no, it cant,
and there isnt even a meteor in existence that fit in f-35 weapons bay, pak-fa might have room for it tho

MBDA said they will be able to fit Meteor inside even F-35B, and UK is a big F-35 buyer so i will have to go with that.