a Rafale (any version) lands at 115kts
Any source ?
Thanks but I was looking for a loop in the vertical or a complete fast roll. I have little doubt it can turn in the horizontal but I have more questions in the vertical
For vertical capabilities of F-35 please refer to this : http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?140845-Proof-F-35A-can-out-accelerate-Su-27-35-in-subsonic-region
I have yet to see a demo like a F16,18, gripen, rafale, typhoon.
I have yet to see demo of Gripen ,rafale or Typhoon with better average turn rate than 25-26 degrees/second
This pilot is a liar. I would not be surprise if he is today a Typhoon consultant
Nice try, but atleast he fly against a real Rafale with real radar, real engine, real missiles, real RWR. And we know Frisian flag is a real even . As opposed to someone who may or may not fly the simulation before F-35 had its first flight.
Sry, but definitely unimpressive.(i) as you say look like, without any idea of paralaxe effect. (ii) time to bank and to unbank? Sluggish. However planes are still limited, we will see later.
Sluggish?, feel free to post video of Rafale doing better
he might say rafale eater, but he’s really shooting down typhoons
Typhoon didn’t participate in Frisian flag 2008
http://www.aviamagazine.com/reports/exercise/2008/frisianflag/index.aspx/
Is there a video of an F35 doing a loop or/and a high speed roll ? I find surprising that as it enter in operational service I have not already seen this.
EAP and rafale A even a few months after their first flight demonstrated this publicly.
between 2:44-2:51, F-35 complete a 180 degrees loop, that equal to average turn rate of 25.7 dps
If you already started with this, it’s still much better than to be shot down a dozen times by an T-38.. 🙂
I dont know about that. T-38 is smaller and more agile than F-4, so it is harder to defeat than F-4 in dogfight . But you missed my point entirely anyway. It was not to compare who got shot down more by third generation fighters, but to mock the flaw in his logic.
Funny that you guys never seem to mind folks working for Lockheed but get all excited over someone working for Eurofighter.. Double standards?
Just like you dont mind dassault or French pilot advertising Rafale. But if a pilot working for LM criticize Rafale, that would be a different story.
That pull up is impressive.. The static thrust of the F135 at low speeds gets shown here..
Static thrust is thrust level when engine is stationary on the ground, no inlet loss. Thurst of engine inside a moving aircraft isn’t static thrust.F-35’s thurst is quite high in subsonic, transonic regime
He lies because it his employ by a company that will not produce typhoon anymore at the time the F 35 will be in service
F-35 is in service now and Typhoon are still being produced
But when a LM employed test pilot try to explain that it is normal th F 35 is beated by an old F16 not clean that doesn’t disturb anyone ?
_ F-35 vs F-16 test was a CLAW test as explained many times
_ Does it disturb you that Rafale got shot down by F-4 over 5 times?
I stopped reading when i saw that you took information from defenseissues.net aka Picard :highly_amused:. He is the definition of clueless
If you want quality information i would suggest Aircraft 101 or Aerospaceweb
Against whom?
Conventional aircraft
Yes, and?
In the sense, where is really the new there?
The fact that F-35 is actually the slowest of all fighters actually in production, bar maybe the JF-17, is something that would have been clear from the beginning.
Doesn’t mean anything, top speed is often dictated by pressure recovery performer of the intake at high speed.A slower aircraft doesn’t necessarily incapable of supercruising. Ex: Mig-29, F-15, Mig-31 are much faster than Typhoon. But the Typhoon can supercruise while these others 3 cant.
even the best range L.M has confirmed still dont match gripen E
F-35 on internal fuel vs Gripen E using 3 subsonic external fuel tank
…and then there was the “minor issue” with 1 min. vs 30 min. after having lost out on range, too.
1 min on full AB vs 30 min on minimum power
2] i think SAAB really wanted to give L.M the best of chance and so only loaded up with 2 aam
More like they tried to downplay its capabilities by only listing 2 aam even though it can carry more
but nope, F-35 just refuses to SC no matter what, short of a teeny weeny bit of a/b,
which cuts down range to a paltry 150 miles
150 miles isnot the total combat radius but a part of it similar to F-22 combat profile. Even at maximum AB, the range wont be that short if it was flying at high altitude
but 150 miles is still a far cry from 250 nautical miles, and no on station time at that, except perhaps 1 min which is nothing
150 miles is not the maximum distance F-35 can fly on dry thrust if it was flying at Mach 1.2. These are obviously only part of total combat radius , similarly F-22 combat radius is often written as 100 nm supercruise +300 nm subsonic cruise
L.M refer to gripen C, which is understandable since F-35 is inferior to gripen E
Wrong, it is because Gripen NG did not exist at that time
751 nm + 1 min. < 800 nm +30 min.,
read as: F-35 is lesser than gripen E both on range and time on station in the same profile,
hows that for a double whammy ?
_ F-35 was on internal fuel only while Gripen was on 3 external fuel tank + internal fuel
_ 1 minutes of combat is 1 minutes on max afterburner
_ On station is loiter time which is done at much lower thrust setting
_ crusing altitude and cruising speed was not specified, but very unlikely a Gripen with 3 external fuel tanks can cruise faster than F-35