Yes, but its neither, 6+ was objective, 5.3 was the threshold, but F-35 didnt meet threshold, it is 4.6G 50% fuel 15k ft for A
No the fuel load and weapon load weren’t stated in the spec, also the F-35C still have sustain G spec of 5G
The J-20 will likely have a distinctive speed advantage over the F-35.
base on what reason that J-20 will have distinctive speed advantage over f-35?
Certainly, but not inferior against just fighters currently in production. This is also true for fighters which went out of production several decades ago.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/reduced-f-35-performance-specifications-may-have-significant-operational-381683/
US officers who have flown the F35 have found the experience embarrassing:
“The Pentagon’s decision to reduce the performance specifications for the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter will have a significant operational impact, a number of highly experienced fighter pilots consulted by Flightglobal concur.
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“What an embarrassment, and there will be obvious tactical implications. Having a maximum sustained turn performance of less than 5g is the equivalent of an [McDonnell Douglas] F-4 or an [Northrop] F-5,” another highly experienced fighter pilot says. “[It’s] certainly not anywhere near the performance of most fourth and fifth-generation aircraft.”
without fuel load, altitude, speed of aircraft being compare, such number is pointless
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9813125/Lightning-will-ground-F35-fighter-jet-known-as-the-Lightning-II.html
Britain’s £150 million new combat jet has been banned from flying in bad weather amid fears that it could explode.
Fixed already
http://www.standard.net/Military/2015/04/16/Air-Force-says-the-Lightning-should-now-have-no-problems-in-lightning
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/159421/f_35-needs-white-fuel-trucks,-parking-shades.html
Fuel Temperature Can Shut Down F-35
this is bull**** propaganda sorry :
“This is not an F-35 issue; there are no special restrictions on the F-35 related to fuel temperature. The F-35 uses the same fuel as other military aircraft. It can fly under the same temperature conditions as any other advanced military aircraft,” said Joe DellaVedova, program spokesman, in an email yesterday evening.
http://breakingdefense.com/2014/12/the-tale-of-the-f-35-and-hot-jet-fuel/
here
what is the fuel load?
btw what is F-16, F-18, F-15, F-4, F-5 max sustain G in similar conditions?
it seems that according to someone, even in official circles, that having the possibility to operate in BVR allow to completely forgot about such trivial things about manoeuvrability, turn rate, agility and acceleration.
So an updated version of the Tu-128 is the goal to reach?
maneuver is important but only to a certain extent, too much maneuver is no longer necessary, just like too much speed is unnecessary, no one bother trying to make fighter fly at mach 3 any more
different times, different criteria
Same with the supposed magic wand of the 360° DAS, certainly they would be very useful early warning systems when they will come into the visible range as
DAS can search, track, target enemy’s aircraft , SAM, AA cannon at close range, they will cued the DIRCM turret on f-35 as well
the similar radar based ATOLL system would be for the PAK-FA at even greater distance
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Wrong
The MAWS sensor on PAK-FA is 101KS-U, is an UV sensor, which is far inferior to DAS ( an IIR sensors )
When it came to be used for launching a missile against a target at your own tail, without even change its own course…
How it would be?
Missile will be launched forward, have to accellerate until it reach a sizeable speed and after it turn back in almost a 180° turn, bypass the launching plane and going to chase a similar supersonic, 9G and high AoA capable fighter (and let’s face it: 99% not-US planes built in the last thirty years have both of these features as a default) having just done its own breakaway move and gone full afterburner? Good luck.
The only reason someone would use an overshoulder shot is if he being chased and enemy is too close for him to have enough time to turn the aircraft nose, which mean the distance is like 1-2 km, at that distance it not possible for you to out accelerate, or out run an air to air missiles even with full afterburner turn on
a plane that is inferior in almost any flight parameter to contemporary opponents ones not.
inferior or not depending on fuel load, an 34% fuel f-4E , or an F-16 with 50% fuel and 2 empty tank can out maneuver a 100% fuel su-27
I am still convinced that the original a2a specs were insufficient. .
actually iam with you on this, f-35 load of only 4 aam seem pathetic for the weapon bay size in my opinion, F-18 tiny weapon pod can carry alot more missiles and bomb
but f-35 will be upgraded to carry 6 AAM internally after block 4-5 or so i have heard :
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Block 40 with two full wing tanks and full internal fuel can be easily outmanuvered by an F-4E and 30% fuel load.
it sounds reasonable enough for me
also an F-4E can outmanuver a Su-27 *in sustained turns* if F-4E is at 30% fuel, and Su-27 is at full. Based on this fact, it would be very silly to claim F-4E is more maneuverable than Su-27.
i dont doubt your knowledge when it is about aerodynamic, but to be honest, iam very surprised that F-4E even on 30% fuel can out maneuver a su-27 at all fuel, what is their respective turn rate at these conditions ?
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Block 40 with two empty underwing tanks and half internal fuel, can far outmanuver a clean Su-27 with full fuel load.
that surprised me alot, weren’t the empty fuel tank and pylon can cause a lot of drag?
but load-out, speed and altitude IS specified
no load out specified for sustain turn metric, and they didn’t give sustain turn value for F-18, F-16, f-4, f-5 in similar situation either
So————-the F-35 can carry a big load of bombs, but then after it drops them it can be shot down because it cant out maneuver opponents. Not a good day for the pilot.
drop the bomb doesn’t make F-35 lose LO characteristics, thus it can still use that advantage to either secretly attack enemy or to avoid them
January 2013, Leftwing conspirationalists over at Flightglobal.com:
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/reduced-f-35-performance-specifications-may-have-significant-operational-381683/
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“What an embarrassment, and there will be obvious tactical implications. Having a maximum sustained turn performance of less than 5g is the equivalent of an [McDonnell Douglas] F-4 or an [Northrop] F-5,” another highly experienced fighter pilot says. “[It’s] certainly not anywhere near the performance of most fourth and fifth-generation aircraft.”
without load out, speed and altitude of the turn that comparison is just retarded
even the f-16 limited to 4.5 G at 25k ft, is it closer to f-4,f-5 now?
At near the speed of sound and at an altitude of 25,000 feet, the HiMAT vehicle could substain an 8-G turn (that is, one producing acceleration equal to 8 times that of gravity). By comparison, at the same altitude, an F-16’s maximum sustained turning capability is about 4.5 Gs.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/FactSheets/FS-025-DFRC_prt.htm
May I remind everyone that all the super wonderful electronics and A2A missiles are just dead weight when you get in dog fighting distance.
No
https://youtu.be/6YMSfg26YSQ
https://youtu.be/UXxsntm_N10
https://youtu.be/30S965BM3IE
Remember all the F-4 pilots early in Nam that had only missiles, and had a MIG fly right in front of them? They said if they only had a gun.
F-4 actually have superior Kill/death ratio vs Mig in Vietnam
The point I and others are trying to make is that a superior fighter has to be the best in all situations
there is no such thing as a fighter that is best in all situations
And unfortunately apparently the F-35 cant handle that.
unfortunately, people keep making up fake report from imaginary pilot to bash f-35 close combat effectiveness
Do you have proof that the article is fake?
If not wouldnt it be better to wait a bit?
you are right, let wait a few days, i said the article fake since there seem to be many contradictory and made up information inside it, not only it go again all results from previous test of f-35, but the website also say it is from an unnamed pilot ( I think it is pretty obvious what unnamed source actually mean on Internet )
Now we have proof
an article with fake made up information isn’t proof
that many of us said about trying to buy a platform that is supposed to be a do all, end all, do everything airplaine.
almost all 4.5, 5 gen fighter nowadays are multi role fighter
The F-35 is just like the MacNamara F-111 fiasco.
no it isn’t
The F-35 may be a fair attack bomber, but it is no fighter. No matter what they try to do to this design there is not enough lipstick in the world to make this pig into a world class fighter!!!!!!
F-35 dogfight performance isn’t spectacular but that is solve by HOBS missiles and JHMCS anyway
in BVR it is better than most
The Pentagon should restart the F-23 program. The F-23 should have been bought in the first place since it was much faster, and more stealthy.
are you willing to pay 2 the tax so that USA can afford it?
the unnamed pilot wrote in a scathing five-page brief that War Is Boring has obtained
do anyone see a pattern? , always some unamed mysterious pilot. they are so kind that they even give their exercise brief to a website
the nose rate was slow, allowing him to easily time his jink prior to a gun solution,” the JSF pilot complained.
can some one explain this to me ? does f-16 have some psychic ability that they know when f-35 about to fire so that he can ” time his jink ” ?,
The F-35 jockey tried to target the F-16 with the stealth jet’s 25-millimeter cannon, but the smaller F-16 easily dodged
and since when the do combat exercise with real bullet?
“The helmet was too large for the space inside the canopy to adequately see behind the aircraft.” That allowed the F-16 to sneak up on him
really? the helmet too big for the space inside cockpit? 😀
Cut the crap, finally. The paradox of negative evidence has been discussed dozens of times already.
Please learn the correct way of argumentation.. Thanks..http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Negative_evidence
All you need is to obtain positive evidence that ALQ-131A or ALR-69 is in USAF service. The burden of the proof is with you here..
Once you have it, then there’s nothing to discuss, anymore..
lol look at yourself MSphere , negative evidence ? :rolleyes: i dont remember you said the same thing when someone telling stories about some super secret ability of Rafale that they know by talking to some pilot at airshow, or reading some classified documents even though they cant provide any evidence to support their stories, :p in fact if that something good related to Rafale ( or something bad related to F-35) then you instantly accepted it as the truth without any evidence and questions, and start calling anyone who doesn’t share your opinion troll, and now you have the gut to tell me about negative evidence and burden of proof ? really?
M31 – you are correct in that all kinds of active jammers are available for the F-16. However, the only option taken up by the USAF is a pod, and the most modern pod in existence is apparently the ALQ-131A, but nobody can produce evidence that it is in service.
Do you have any evidence that ALQ-131A isn’t in service ?. Northrop Gruman said themselves that they have delivered more than 500 digital radio frequency memories ( DRFM) which are installed on F-16s and other modern fighter aircraft.
http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/eapup/Pages/default.aspx
Likewise, the US digital RWR offering for the F-16 is the ALR-69A, but as far as I am aware it’s not on USAF F-16s yet.
links?
And as the 2009 NDIA paper cited by all and sundry makes clear, on p5, AGM-88D was discontinued in 2002.
i think you mistaken it with the ramjet HARMs program, AGM-88F were awarded in 2012, tested with real missiles in 2014, deployed in 2015
http://www.deagel.com/Anti-Radiation-Missiles/AGM-88F-HCSM_a001155006.aspx
The conclusion, which none of the F-35 fans have factually challenged, is that the most likely USAF F-16 lineup in GF would have been limited to analog RWR (aside from limited capes in HTS R7)
How exactly is HTS limited ? , it is a very sophisticated RWR systems that only F-16CJ have, allow them to do SEAD better than F-15, F-18, F-14… etc
you haven’t provide evidence that ALR-69 isn’t in service either?
, non-DRFM jamming,
Northrop said they provided about 500 DRFM upgrade for ALQ-131 already
btw weren’t green flag is a joint exercise between USAF and NATO ?
and 1990s AGM-88B/C variants. .
how about AGM-88F?
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Back to start point. Can anyone here produce evidence that any USAF F-16 force would have had digital RWR,
here :
F-16 Block 50/52 are cleared to carry both an AN/ASQ-213 HTS R7 Pod and an Advanced Targeting Pod (ATP), by relocating HTS R7 pod to the aircraft’s left inlet hard point.
The system uses an integral GPS receiver, a digital receiver,
http://defense-update.com/products/h/HTS.htm
also ALR-69 have been upgraded to have digital receiver as well
http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/alr69/
ALR-56 have been upgraded with digital receiver as well
https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=07f18f4306391a756065801fec9b3f3e&tab=core&_cview=1
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DRFM jamming (both now state-of-the-art, rather than future concepts) or
ALQ-211, ALQ-131 , ALQ-187 ASPIS II
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the ability to counter a radar that shuts down under direct DEAD attack?
AGM-88E is not the only version of AGM-88 that can attack radar that have shut down, AGM-88D with GPS can do that as well
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-88.html