But if we look the issue in bigger scale, there is only one way that china could narrow this lead that India enjoys, and that is to get the Varyag operational before Gorky…Gorshkov should be ready in 2010, but Indian warship building industry (as the final refitting is supposed to carry out in Indian shipyards) is know for it’s long building times and lacking behind schedules so who knows? If China can get Varyag operational in let say, 2008? Then there is theoretical few years plus to chinese. But then again is few years making any difference? Russians had Kuznetsov running trials since later part of the eighties, but it was only in 2003-5 when the airoperations were fully in hand…

Who told u that chinese are refurbishing varyag? How do explain that chinese who havent even operated a fully operational carriers can build one faster than russian? What kind of logic people use :rolleyes: .

Its fine talking of 5 gen russian AC, but we should be really looking at f35s which will get online b4 any russian AC.

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The Indian Military Avition Industry isnt going to learn much from the JSF. Hell, the US isnt even willing to share that tech with its closest ally the UK.

Isnt jsf better than whats on offer for MRCA? MRCA is purely waste of monies on 4/4.5 gen AC, when 5 gen AC like jsf is/could be available. And jsf @ 50-60 M* is way better VFM than european MRCA AC.

Russia’s RAC-MiG has quietly dropped its offer of the so-called MiG-35 derivative of the MiG-29M. Instead, the company is now offering its I-2000 fifth-generation M-MRCA, for which RAC-MiG did significant R & D work throughout the 1990s under its privately-funded Logkiy Frontovi Istrebilte project. In fact, a highly classified briefing on two distinct variants of the I-2000 was given to defence minister Pranab Mukherjee in Moscow last November (FORCE November 2005, pages 8-9) following which he reportedly told Russian officials rather bluntly that the ministry of defence (MoD) would be more inclined towards co-developing the I-2000 with Russia rather than go for the MiG-35. The I-2000 will have a blended fuselage and thick wing centre-section. To be equipped with fly-by-light flight control systems, an all-digital nav-attack system containing French, Indian and Israeli avionics, and powered by NPO Saturn’s twin AL-41FP turbofans with thrust vectoring exhaust nozzles, the tandem-seat I-2000 will be capable of supercruise (sustaining supersonic speeds without engaging the engine’s afterburners) as well as super-manoeuvrability. More than 50 per cent of the I-2000’s airframe will be built with composite materials, and the aircraft will have a gross take-off weight of 15 tonnes, and a weapons payload of five tonnes. Both Rosoboronexport State Corp and RAC-MiG have assured the MoD that first deliveries of the I-2000 would begin within 48 months of contract signature. RAC-MiG and India’s state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) would jointly build up to four flying prototypes and two pre-production flight-worthy variants for the I-2000’s accelerated flight-test-cum-airworthiness certification schedule, which will be completed by 2010.

Wasnt I-2000 the same AC which iran is also developing, something called shafaq… ? Is AL-41 ready? And isnt 48 months timeframe for prototype testing too ambitious?

As highsea said, how funny is that, congratulations! You just adopt another god. But to me, that’s no different, u’d better say as you said, because I know u better than that anonymity , so I’ll use ur concrete logic u love to use: before you come out any concrete proof saying that WS10 is based on any Russian core engine, I won’t answer any of ur nonsense

Every one know ur credibilty. If u arent interested than go to hell. Instead of dissing others credibility, first earn it for urself.

Instead of making logical explanation, they are trying hard & giving illogical assumptions on ws10. As highsea has said, they hasnt shown any signs of developing an advance jet engines. And repeated orders of AL-31 shows its long way away from such reality full stop

It now certainly confirmed that brahmos will be fitted into subs, but will the extended version too would be fitted or just the 290Km version?

Also how can India fully exploit the exportability of brahmos? Already few countries has shown gr8 interest in it, but what more could be done?

The Congress and Left rejected it , The BJP was not named , so they couldnt reject it .

Lets toe the official line here , our politician are clean and dont indulge in anti-national activities or take money for personal gains 😉

The ex KGB memories are just a bunch of lies 😀

Too much to digest :D.

But one can say that russians are more sentitive to India’s needs, that any one else. Thats the gain of being second largest buyer of russian weapons.