At least, we do have some rough data from US sources about the F-22A.
200 nm supercruise and 620 nm subsonic for a real mission.
400 nm supercruise and 200 nm subsonic for a real mission.
With a fuel-load of 11900 kg (+2 ETs) 1600 nm subsonic.
To do supercruise, the fuel consumption does double in general.
Could you show the source?
What size force is it going up against, to require >1000 to be effective? Does an Air Force have to have >1000 Typhoons, Rafales, Gripens, Flankers, Fulcrums, F-15s, etc… to be effective? Define effective.
Oh yeah, we saw the effective in Georgia crisis last year, US has no more F-22s to restrain Russia.:diablo:
The Chine drawing is seemingly much better than the previous one and accord with the photo which snaged from that PDF file.
I have no idea where these two AFB are, but according to the RANGE, the supercruise radius of Raptor really is shorter than MiG-31, and the speed is less also.
Although someone here is not please to see this truth and expect this thread could be closed as early as possible
That’s assuming it’s in range though. It’s speed will decrease engagement envelopes in any event. Additionally, the question is how much different will its IR signature be vs. some other type of aircraft, rather than a cooler Raptor.
The guy post thread here to compare with flight not something in dish or bowl:p
Do you know what radius means? That link gives a requirement and a demonstrated performance of a mission with a 100NM leg each way supercruising. That’s a total of 200NM. Plus, that is with wasting 620NM (310NM each way) subsonically. It could supercruise for an extended portion of that leg if needed, it is not limited to 200NM of supercruise flight. That was just a mission concept to be demonstrated.
Oh, that was a mission concept to be demo, so you have any evidence to prove the actual performance will be greater than the concept? maybe less not greater.
Plus, even 100NM×2, sitll shorter than MiG-31:dev2:
there are three or you can say four pylons under fuselage of Su-24
Two are in series without interval so it seem being one at centreline
Two are side by centreline right and left.
because of airbrake position, the excate position of side pylon are leveled with latter pylon of centreline.
I surmise could 3000 L external fuel tanks pairwise be loaded on inboard pylons?
I had engine weight in mind. The Russian did note bar engine dry, when the French did note the weight of an installed engine in flying conditions. The Chinese did note the higher engine weight, like the French or Americans.
That has nothing to do with an unofficial posting on a Chinese website about aircraft.
The thread in Chine forum Darkduke quoted did quoted data from our website, so that is a truth.
What size the ONR is?
The Hansa-Brandenberg C.C.’s crew was only one.
Does anyone has the flight envelop diagraim of E.E.Lightning?
For the aerodynamic design the planform based on, we have to say what the senator submitted is true, but for avionics with high suspicious.
The VPO did rely on three main components.
A big AAM to bring down atomic bombers, a related radar, which was heavy in that years and all weather capability. In that years the SAC had over 2000 atomic bombers and the Su was huge. The mainstay of its weapon-industry was concentrated in some huge military complexes. All from the time, when the Germans had no strategic air-force.
The Jakowlew Jak-25 did start such line in the mid 50s.
The Su-9 and Tu-28 from the 60s.
All that designs and the related technology was from the 50s.
All were built in high numbers and so it did make some economical sense to keep that as long as possible, when the smaller number of Western contemporaries were withdrawn already.
France had the Sud Aviation S.O. 4050 Vautour II N about that.
If the MiG-23 was an interceptor, then which one was better between MiG-23 and Su-15?
It was not inferior to its western equivalents such as the Mirage F1 and Viggen but saddly and i say saddly i fought rivals of much modern designs and more updated weapons.
You might compared two wrong objects or wrong conclusions.
The Mirage F.1 we used as fighter-bomber but emphasized particularly on attacker. I have no detailed datum concerning J37 Viggen but it seems to be superior more than MiG-23 as the first practical canard jetfighter in the world.
The MiG-23 was not useless, but was used in the wrong way. It was never a “stand alone” air superiority fighter. First role was that of an interceptor.
When the design started, the F-4 was the yardstick and it does belong into that generation.
F-4, Viggen, Mirage F1
If the MiG-23 primitively was an intercepter, then why Soviet developed 3 models interceptor contemporily? The Yak-28 was not in our count yet.
BTW, I saw many memebers in this topic said that accelleration of MIG-23 was unforgetable, but how fast the angle of wing swept turn, I wonder.

Would be this?
Combined with the other obvious advantages of the MiG-31
– inability to engage in any maneuvering fight
– biggest target in all domains
– clearly identifiable radar signature (best friend of all RWRs)
– unable to deliver air2ground ordnance
– very expensive to procure and operate
– missiles designed to hunt bombers
the radius becomes quite irrelevant.You are a true fanboy.
All you pointed in which only first one was reasonable, but I wonder what’s maneuverability should be in definition of Supercruise?
The Mig-31 has an internal fuel capacity of >36,000 lbs, an empty weight of >48,000 lbs & a MTOW of >100,000 lbs!
I suppose your next argument is going to be that the F-22’s speed/range is unimpressive because of the Concorde (176,880 lbs of fuel, 173,500 lbs empty & 408,000 lbs MTOW). :rolleyes:
So please give a limitation of fuel capacity in definition of supercruise.