As a 5th Fighter definition (used in that context) it is accepted and used by the developers of —>
– F-22A
– EF typhoon
– SAAB Gripen
– Su-35BM
– Pakfa
Maybe i missed a few .

You did lost sth important.

Maybe that should be accepted that is used by You ???

Not even you

somebody come here state sth sounds like a judge

This definition of supercruise used by the F-22 first (no doubt) but it has been widely used by many projects of 4.5 or 5th generation outside the US , the Russians have used it ,

Who told you Russian has accepted it? The Su-50 hasn’t flown, they even claimed MiG-31 was the first supercruise interceptor.

Again i emphasize that this is a BROCHURE term only , its not a term of PHYSICS or SCEINCE , you may call it whatever you like . I know you are pissed because MAYBE (a big maybe) it was used by someone in the US in the ATF program and maybe that Pisses you off (i dont know) but get over it as this is only marketing and brochure discription of the ability to go fast for long periods and in the case of 5th gen figther it is without AB beacuse AB compromise on another feature of 5th gen fighters . Its pretty simple so dont take it personally !!!

Now that’s it! WHO TOOK IT PERSONALLY????
“Its not a term of physics or science”, but somebody calls it define? If somebody have any little basic knowledge of science, he must know that define formally is belong to category of science. You can call sth personally, but you have no right to define until what you called was proved or it could be identified and discriminated from others.

……Technically SUPERCRUISE as defined in the context of 5th Fighter is the Ability to go supersonic (usually well over supersonic) Without the Use of Afterburners . So yes if your Flying Dish can go well over supersonic for long periods without AB use then it could supercruise . Aircrafts like the Mig-25 , Mig-31 have been flying supersonic for prelonged periods for years but with AB and although it is not TECHNICALLY SUPERCRUISE (as per modern 5th gen use of the word) but the effect is pretty much the same.

Does your define cover what engine should be used? Or just making supersonic for longer enough?

Till here, this thread goes, gives me all thoughts in which most key point is, if a flying dish can do supersonic over 1 hour or 2 hours sustained and persistently, may we call it supercruise?

The graph surprises me. Do you know the configuration?
I guess that it is F-15C with missiles and probably even (supersonic) tanks. Please explain!

The advantage F-22 taken was even not so great since F-15E was refitted new engine which more powerful than original one.

Define short ? What is short time ? How is it measured? Against requirment for Air defence or what you want it to do “around the world @ mach 1.72?”
According to AW&ST, June 12, 2006 ——>
For the anti-cruise missile mission, F-22A can cruise 41 minutes with the speed of around 1.5 Mach, while the traditional fighters like F-15 and F-16 can just cruise 7 minutes with that speed.

Is the afterburner adjustable please considering.

For numbers really , the F-22 is capped (production) and even F-15’s falling out of the sky couldnt get the congress to increase that cap , mainly because they see it as an expensive big ticket item and secondly because the F-35 which is also a LMA product , happens to dwarf the F-22 interms of economy (how much money it will generate back into the economy) and Jobs aswell as foreign sales for Lockheed which come what may will always back away from the f-22 if a direct choice is to be made.

An upgraded F-15 C is NOT OUTDATED by any standard , give it some modification and it can still face any threat for the next 10 years or so , and with reducing no. of raptors (183 instead of 300+) the USAF has no other choice but to keep F-15C’s for longer.

English is a sort of very interesting language.
On one hand, “not outdated by any standard“, does which mean standard of stealth INCLUDED?, on the other hand, “the USAF has no choice but to keep F-15 for longer”, if not outdated, what choice needed for? COMPLETELY INCOHERENT:diablo:

Why is everybody always pissed when I say something that might made the Raptor look not like the 120% Über-Fighter of the next 5 centuries?

Don’t argue with idiots:p I never talk to them:cool: