Internal fuel F-16XL carried still is less than our Mirage4000 as wing area small then Mirage4000
Two M53 engine gives Mirage4000 over 19ton thrust aussi more powerful than F-16XL:p
Two-thirds of F-22 Raptor fleet suffering from corrosion
October 25, 2007 (by Lieven Dewitte) – Even though it was known years ago that the composition of some mechanical access panels made the F-22 susceptible to corrosion and changes were made to fix the problem, the design flaw reappeared.
Now, a decade later, about two-thirds of the military’s fleet of Raptors are suffering from corrosion, prompting the Air Force to speed up the timeline for bringing the aircraft through Hill Air Force Base for depot-level maintenance.
It’s unclear how much the corrosion issue will cost the Air Force to fix. Brig. Gen. C.D. Moore, who is leading production and sustainment efforts for the F-22 at Ohio’s Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, said the “cleanup and mitigation” of already-identified corrosion problems could cost nearly a half-million dollars in labor costs alone. Corrosively resistant replacement panels – which won’t be ready to install for another six months – will cost millions more to produce and the jets will have to be brought back to Hill or another maintenance center for installation – at a cost of millions more.
Moore downplayed the cost, however, noting it would be absorbed by the “overall sustainment plan” budget – which he said exists to handle unforeseen problems with the jet.
The stealthy Raptor was conceived in the mid 1980s and designed to avoid detection by Soviet radars. But techniques that made the plane more stealthy – for instance, filling the seams of the access panels with a soft, rubbery putty – were not always best from the standpoint of corrosion control.
Even as the Soviet threat had diminished, however, the Air Force and the Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company, the lead contractor for the F-22 program, continued to push to improve the plane’s “low observable” qualities.
Alerted to concerns that the metals, paint and other materials used in and around the panels would interact in a way that would cause severe corrosion – particularly if moisture was to seep into the seams – Col. Kenneth Merchant, now a brigadier general and vice commander at Hill’s Ogden Air Logistics Center, oversaw a change in design. Merchant left his assignment in 1997 believing that the problem had been addressed by a change which included switching the metal used in the panels from aluminum to titanium. The change made the Raptor, the twin engines of which produce a chest-rumbling 35,000 pounds of thrust each, negligibly heavier. It also made the aircraft slightly more vulnerable to radar.
Moore said the decision to overrule Merchant’s change came over the course of several years as engineers sought to find “the right balance” between durability, performance and low radar observability. “We thought we got it right,” he said. “We understood there was a corrosion risk.”
The only good news is that Hill was able to stand up its depot maintenance center a year ahead of schedule to address the issue.
In all, Air Force maintainers are working on 17 access panels – as small as several inches and as large as two feet. Four of the panels on the topside of the aircraft have been found to be most susceptible to corrosion and will be replaced – at a cost of $50,000 per aircraft, not including labor.
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So, more invisible methods rely on dope, more cost on maintenance
thanks for video
I just wondered, a normal version of MiG-29 will did AoA in maneuver biger than MiG-29K, because the Navy version is heavier than other version.
Indo-Russian PAK-FA Will Hit the Skies in 2012
India and Russia signed an inter-governmental agreement earlier this month to jointly develop and produce the futuristic multi-role stealth fighter on the basis of Sukhoi Corporation’s super secret PAK-FA project.
“The deadlines have been set – it must take to the skies in 2012 and enter service in 2015,” Russian vice Air Chief Lt Gen Igor Sadofyev was quoted as saying by RIA Novosti.
Commenting on the FGA agreement signed on October 18 in the presence of visiting Defence Minister A K Antony, Gen Sadofyev said that the bilateral cooperation on the project would significantly boost the development of fighter capable of taking on the US-British Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) F-35.
“International cooperation and joint development efforts will certainly expedite the process. It’s a path the whole world is taking now a days, and we are no exception,” Gen Sadofyev said.
Now it was delayed again to 2012.
This fighter seem to be piperdream which won’t fly ever?!:D :diablo:
Arrh, thank u soooo much!
That IS what I desired, could u please tell me the context of this video, such as when, where the Typhoon did this maneuver? by casual or prepense?
are there any meaning of 3 year old?
Do you get any useful or certain information about range or empty weight of Raptor ?
Try the Breguet range equations, the emepty weight of the Raptor is 42974 lbs and it has 18348 lbs of internal fuel. It’s empty weight is not in the 30 thousand pound class, the USAF stated years ago that in the sacrifice to have internal weapons carriage it came with a 10 thousand pound weight penalty.
~43000 lbs for empty weight of Raptor is ~10000 lbs too high.
The wing-area alone generates 36% more internal fuel-space for the F-22 to the F-15C. A similar sized F-15E with fastpack and dual-role equipment is ~ 15 tons empty.
So do you mean this web denote a very wrong data of Raptor’s E.W.?
If it’s true, where the bondry layer goes?
All point I cared about Su-35 only is how it carry 4 R-77 under centre line pylons :p
sorry I can’t read Russian, but I didn’t see others as you said F-16 or Tornado, except Cy-27 and F-15, so you may be cheating me
28 d/s for Su-27? you are kidding :p show me source s’il vous plait;)
In a2a combat, the chance will be determined by first position, you didn’t get first chance, you will be loser, except your adversary made mistake.
I think that Su-27/30 is inferiorer than other contemporary fighter not only because of its turn ratio, also because of its unsatisfactory acceleration which never unveiled :diablo:
Thanks
In my image, the turn rate and agility of Mirage 2000 should much higher than Su-30MKs, now it is proved by your post. 🙂
I heared that Russia was surprised after that exercise 😀