Another religious nutter who believed that his god would be enough to prevent against armed terrorists.

If only he had a gun, eh Linc?

SNAFU. Everyone has the right to apply, in certain cercumstances, they are not, ie, Criminal record, mental illness etc, but everyone should have the right to protect their family by whatever means needed, be it a knife, club, gun or whatever one can get their hands on at the time.But the most obvious choice of many, would be a gun.
Geddit?.

I understand that, certainly. My wife has muttered several times about shooting the neighbours for their antisocial behaviour. The basic fact is that, in Britain, NO ONE IN BRITAIN ROUTINELY HAS A GUN OF ANY DESCRIPTION EASILY TO HAND AT ANY POINT IN THEIR NORMAL DAY-TO-DAY LIFE. The most commonly available would be an air pistol/rifle or shotgun – you might act out some sort of macho scenario about taking on terrorists with a pump action .177 air pistol but unless they were rolling around on the floor with laughter you probably wouldn’t get more than one shot off before they focused their attention on you, two shots if it is a double barrelled shot gun. What is the kill radius for the air weapon/shotgun possibility?
My eldest keeps on about the zombie apocalypse like it is a surefire certainty, and how he and his mates would hole up in particular buildings to defend survivors with an arsenal that is pure fantasy inspired by some stupid games consul. When the question comes up about where in southern Britain he is going to find all these weapons and explosives, etc, he seems to believe that he’d be able to loot an abandoned army base, pointing out that this is what happened in Libya and probably Iraq/Syria (fact: no zombies involved). In his mind he would be the first to think of this, without thinking about his teenaged shuffling gait could lead any defenders to the conclusion that he was somebody they needed to defend themselves from…

Linc, the most anyone could usually arm themselves with would be a kitchen knife, possibly a golf club or cricket bat if they were so inclined, or a length of wood if they had that sort of access; guns are not just left laying around in the street, either here or in America, and to believe otherwise – especially in the event of a terrorist assault – is as much a fantasy as those idiots preparing for a zombie invasion.

I will sleep better knowing that we have not seized any weapons LOL, does that mean there are no weapons of that type here or just that the security services have not got a clue where they are, I think the latter.

Quite possible, but once again we don’t know and won’t unless we are told (probably afterwards) or the unthinkable happens..

SNAFU. Stop trying to twist things to suit your argument. Yes, I was the Firearms Officer in the Force,in my area, but all I did was to renew, check, and give my opinions to HQ firearms dept whether or not the applicants application for a Certificate be granted or not. The way your trying to put it would indicate that I was member of the Force Rapid Respons Firearms team, which I certainly was not. Get your facts right before posting such crap.

My argument was – is against arming all the police on the off chance that there might be a terrorist incident, whereas you were telling me that we should have the right to shoot anyone who shoots at our family. How would you, now a former policeman, have reacted in your role as a firearms officer if someone you were to renew, check, or give your opinion on as regarded their firearm certificate, had casually told you all that?

It could well just feature the French deployment

What, no Spitfires???

How could you…

WHY, in everything I post, that you answer do you always bring up the fact I was a Police Officer?.Whats that got to do with anything?.

Um, forgive me for pointing out the obvious, but weren’t you a firearms officer? Guns, bullets, that sort of thing?
You, with that piece of historical fact behind you, posting about arming the police, and mentioning that it made sense to you…I believe it makes sense to those of us who responded. Maybe you should show your colours when posing such questions.

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That’s because you don’t live in the real world and can not see what’s going on around you. We are slowly being invaded, it’s not those ISIS scum in Syria that we need to take on now, it’s the ones that are here and armed with automatic weapons.

There have been no reports of Kalashnikovs being seized in Britain, and while publicising such seizures might cause alarm to the unwary and possibly give succor to IS supporters it would be an ideal opportunity to demonstrate that the security services are on the ball.

I have noted some WW1 trench imagery recently so treated. The effect certainly has impact.

Probably was digitally altered, but could have been a three colour filter process which was popular at the time – especially in France.

SNAFU. I am neither frightened or terrified. Just give me a Magnum 50 Cal, so I can protect myself. If for one minute you think it can’t happen here, then your I.Q. must be in the minus 1 catagory. I nd go on, admit you would feel the same, if anyone shoots at you, then you should have the right to shoot back and protect yourself and family.

No? So if you are not frightened about the possibility of a terrorist attack…why the gun? Have you needed a revolver before, in ordinary, everyday life?

Yes, I do believe it can happen here, never said it couldn’t, but I don’t believe in making things difficult for those whose job would involve trying to differentiate between one nutter with a gun and another; while that is going on the killing could continue. Alternatively, the police could just shoot anyone with a gun and ask questions later – after all, time is of the essence.
And I admit I am terrible with a gun; my belief is that those trained to do the job should be left to do their job without worrying that they could be shooting helpful civilians. Untrained civilians. You get the picture?

Warren, Correct me if I am wrong, but they were armed with A.K. 47s or their equivilant, a single shot magnum would not have their desired rate of fire to kill as many as possible in the quickest time.

What??? They were suicide bombers – what need did they have for automatic weapons?

And grenades in a packed or confined space would do the job, wouldn’t you say?

This would sort it,.

Anyone entering our country whether refugee, or immigrant will be fitted with microchip tracer which can be quickly implanted under the skin and is slightly larger than a piece of long grain rice.

Tourists as well?

I’m not sure I’d take too much solace in the Channel as a natural border.

Better than many of the borders in Europe, maybe not as good as an electric fence?

There is the tunnel….and how strict are customs checks these days?

There is, and it has been fairly successful – as far as has been reported. Yes, there have been a few who have made it nearly all the way through only to be caught whilst others have made it past the detector systems at the French portal only to end up mashed into the tracks in the dark of the tunnel. Of course the alternatives are to swim across (none have tried and succeeded that I’ve heard of) or try and sneak on to a cross channel ferry, maybe on board a truck; other European borders are much easier to cross.
I believe the checks are extensive at the moment (or they were when I went through a couple of times in the summer) but the customs officer numbers have been decimated in the last decade or so.

Are you saying a disassembled AK-47 couldn’t be smuggled in?

It could probably be smuggled in fully assembled; the point I’m making is that gun crime in Britain has not shown that it can get along nicely(!) without the need for AK47s. Terrorism might demand AK47s but has so far as Britain is concerned it has gotten along with explosives (well, ten years ago they did…) and no massacres have taken place – yet. Hopefully the security services have been on the ball enough to prevent them so far, but we only hear what they want to let us know about…

Are there any illegal immigrants? If a person (or anything else worth smuggling) can get in, so can a firearm.

Yep.

In the course of history, a sense of “It can’t happen here” is the first action of it happening.
Whenever one feels smug, take a deep breath and remember the Titanic.

I am not saying it can’t happen here, merely pointing out that if there is an obstacle in the way it does slow down the flow – the sea cannot just go straight through an obstruction, it needs to go around, over, or take its time and wear its way through. A sentient being will figure a way to get over its obstruction, but it is still a hindrance.

J. B. The more this unravels, the more I am thinking we too should have your 2nd, “The right to bear arms,” in this Country, and I never thought I would ever say that !!

Wonderful.
All those snarky chavs, armed. That guy across the road who plays Classic FM a bit too loud, armed. The white van man who would rather you drove a bit faster so is all over your rear bumper, flashing his lights and gesticulating his opinion of your character wildly out the window, armed. That creepy bloke, the one who stands and stares at the rubbish bin in the precinct whilst silently mouthing Milton’s Paradise Lost at what seems to be around a thousand words a minute, armed.
Meanwhile, what are the chances of you ever being involved in any event like that in Paris? Probably similar odds to winning the lottery or getting hit on the head by a meteorite.
The terrorists have done their work, Linc. You are obviously terrified. They have won.

This is sad…

Another example of giving in to the terrorists. Not that many US military personnel are likely to want to travel to Paris for a weekend at the moment, but making the whole thing official and then making it public too…

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Thank you for that geography lesson. How are you on particle physics ?

так себе, но неважно.

The English chanel is no border. The ports offer little protection.

Interesting. Clearly you have recently been confronted with a Kalashnikov, brandished by a mugger eager to relieve you of your smart phone.
No?
Well, my point was that we haven’t yet been over run with AK47 wielding criminals so I’m hardly surprised.

Was I the only one wondering if any of these terrorist can slide in with other imigrants?

No, many others would have been thinking exactly the same thing based on the evidence of that false Syrian passport. Gee, I wonder if some far-thinking terrorist leader thought that terror could be further spread by giving his suicide team fake credentials, papers that would make the suspicious inhabitants of Europe fear that every immigrant is a terrorist? That plan is working well…

We now know they communicate using game chat.

We do?
Hardly surprising since phone lines can be monitored for keywords.

But the thing that bothers me most is, journalists demanding to know what and how the security forces are monitoring said sites and individuals? The less we say the more chance of stopping this. I for one don’t want any member of my family or friends to be a statistic.

It is what the media do. And usually these things are ‘leaked’ so that the government can be shown to be doing something – did we need to know that seven plots had been foiled already, or was that information given out to Cameron’s advantage?
And you are already a statistic – you are one of those terrified fools cowering in fear of a highly unlikely terrorist assault involving yourself or your family.
Well done – they are winning.

This pussy footing softly softly aproach has to stop. It’s strange how a group of “radicals” can hold a meeting in Bedford yet if we hold a meeting we’re classed as racist. For God’s sake Wake up.

We? I think you are speaking for yourself there.
If YOU hold a meeting YOU’re classed as racist – I wonder why that would be…?

…I would then call the emergency services and ask for them to send their prettiest totty.

A different age, obviously; I believe you would need the emergency services after referring to any female as ‘totty’.

If recent events in Southwest Asia are indicators of things to come…

Where abouts are we talking?

One the subject of Police in the UK being armed, I’ve often asked the question myself.

But it’s worth mentioning that even though most French Police are armed, they weren’t able to stop this attack. Unless the Police happen to be present at an attack, even a response time measured in a couple of minutes is ample time for terrorists to inflict huge casualties.

That is the thing with terrorism. It can strike anywhere at any time.

If they want a fight I say lets give it to them.

Yeah! Woo! Go team!
But where to send ‘it’? The physical front line might be Syria or Iraq but some of the Paris attackers were from France – I won’t ask the obvious.
And they are being fought in Syria and Iraq, but unless we put boots on the ground little effect will be made – and then we will be seen as the bullying christians trying to enslave the moslems, which would do wonders for IS recruiting…