snafuAll part of the left wing starter kit™, if someone is openly not towing the party line, then bring their mental health (or any of their health come to that) into question, however, very much like the once bullet proof ‘racist card™’ it has lost its impact for the cause & may as well be discarded.
Anyway, you disgust me snaffy old chap, fancy trying to use someones mental health as a crutch to prop up your argument, not very equal ops of you I must say. 😉
I apologise for my ‘self medicating’ jib.
It was more to do with the way you were last Saturday evening, where there appeared to be no structure, no sentencing, in fact frequently it was one long blat with all the appearance of you having had one or two shandies that were light on the lemonade. I assure you it was nothing to do with mental health.
snafuIt was the political thread from Andy in Beds.
I was just about to hit the ‘go’ button but decided to see if there was a recent last post…
If anybody cares (which I doubt) he is my latest missive to that thread (which will get this thread deleted, I expect):
As with Snafu, I’m deeply honoured to be mentioned in a thread title – in a good way (I think…)
Not sure honoured is quite the right word…;o)
Agree with the rest though.
What I would like to see is
Allowances totally got rid of, take an average of all MP’s allowances and increase their wages by that amount plus £5000.
Issue MP’s with a combined Underground, Bus and Train Pass
Housing for MP’s in London, if living within the accepted London commuting distance for industry then commute, no second mortgages etc, If outside the commuting belt, then subject to attendance at Parliament provide fixed price accomodation at set hotels within the Commuting area paid direct to the Hotel.
No second jobs or honorary board positions while serving.
Any of the cash for questions or criminal convictions, instant dismissal and a byelection held.
MP’s wages linked to inflation and civil servents pay, no over the top payrises
if they cannot accept these, do not stand for parliament.
Not too much to disagree with there either, except that they should be on minimum wage, by the hour, with a board of ordinary voters deciding on (ok, generous within reason) extra pay for work undertaken (constituency surgery, etc, with independent proof that the event took place) and for appearances in parliament and committee work – without knowing who they are judging. Wages rises should be linked to benefits/pension/minimum wage, and any personal staff required (secretarial, admin, etc) should be recruited via job centres, etc. with equal MP staff pay scale across the board (so that they are not paid a pittance but equally not paid huge sums for ‘other’ reasons) paid via parliament, and the staff must not be family. Any researcher or work experience whose work had been unpaid will be on the MP staff pay scale as long as they are assisting with constituency or ministerial work. Any party work within the constituency must be paid for by the political party once the MP gains office, there is to be no unpaid workers associating with or working for MP’s. All finances are to be freely available – where it’s from, why, etc.
I’m sure I”ll think of more to add, but that should be enough to be going along with.
I am not sure that Andy is becoming any wiser by our contributions. The strong message is they the current system is heavily criticized, politicians are held in low regard but no one has any suggestions to improve the, as they see it, flawed system.
The problem is, neither have they (the politicians) (or lizards). I don’t know of any who have made a suggestion as to how to improve their reputation, or indeed any that felt that their personal reputation needed improving and until that is accepted you might as well try pushing a wheelbarrow full of rattlesnakes up a cliff face safely.
‘Capitalist’ lizards? Well, maybe, but I think ‘capitalist’ is just being used as a derogatory term by people who don’t have any alternative to offer.
Sorry, my capitalist jibe was more to do with the ‘class’ of people trying to become politicians, mainly public school, independent inherited wealth and the sort of income from their ‘main’ job that gives the impression they have blackmail material hidden away. Maybe it is their friends and backers who are capitalists…
…but surely you now have the possibility of electing a Labour leader who is certainly no Blair clone nor crony. His aspirations are certainly more statist than his recent predecessors. So would you not want to give him a chance.
Who, who? Tell us, oh knowledgeable one… Oh, you mean Miliband. Zzzz…
Simply put Charlie–NO.
Questioning what was once simple faith has moved me to a position of trusting no one who wishes for power–that pretty much goes for all organisations.
Blair bludgeoned to death the left of centre vote and brought in the champagne ‘socialists’ he leeched from the centre right and beyond. Now few really trust Labour, especially with the current leader whose challenges at PMQs has not exactly been…well, noticeable really.
1) ‘Capitalist Lizards’ sounds a bit David Icke to me.
Sorry, but we have latched onto it probably for that reason. If only Douglas Adams had written about meerkats or penguins or something less conspiratorial.
2) Beware the power of the news media, for good or ill.
Um, they are fully aware of the ‘evil’ power of the press, thank you. How many votes does Murdoch and his papers bring along?
Yes, but I actually meant the electorate; not the politician.
‘The electorate cannot simply vote themselves rich.’
Change the rules, why don’t you!
Ok, but if they bribe somebody important…;o)
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snafuRe 154
Re 162
Don’t be dishonest – most of all with yourself.
..”always been prone to being overweight…”
In other words, you eat too much. That is why most of us who are overweight are overweight. We eat too much. Including me.
You’ll be telling me next that it is another disease like hyperactivity, attention deficit and dyslexia.
You are really confusing, you know that?
Try using the post quote facility if you cannot be bothered to put the right post number in your replies – it is so much easier…
It is simple mathematics…or as somebody once said – your mouth is (say) 2” wide and your anus is only less than a quarter of an inch wide…. ; )
Really way too much information.
Is this thread still going?… Obviously, it is…
At the moment, yes. But for how much longer…
Intro to Eminem’s song…
John Lennon, song…
Marilyn Manson, song…
Bob Dylan, song; Hurricane…
John Frusciante, song…
Eminem, well, what can I say.
John Lennon and the Patti Smith song covered by Marilyn Manson (good grief) were using the word for shock value as a connection, not a deliberate racist angle.
Bob Dylan’s song was about a black boxer stitched up by authority for a racist crime, who incidentally died recently.
John Frusciante’s song… I don’t have a clue despite looking at the lyrics. Was he clean when he recorded it?
I suppose they can have the defence that they are/were artists, defining a situation that was not in anyway a racist slur, whereas Jeremy Clarkson’s muttering was him just being a prat, twice, and it falls rather flat on the amusement scale.
They all must be “Racists” too because they’re all white, yet they’re still shown in one form or another on the BBC and haven’t been branded as racist like Clarkson has for his use of the word, which apparently, “kinda sounds like” ni**er, about 75%… What’s the difference, exactly?
Ooooh! My Sushi is arriving! (Not a racial slur before anyone accuses me of being a “Racist”).
Can I guess that they – even Frusciante – had a well thought out and artistic reason for using the word, unlike Clarkson? My 16 year old has said before that it’s a shame Eminem was born the wrong colour (I have no interest in him, rap is a book not just closed but welded shut in an iron box that has been dropped in the middle of the Atlantic, so I wouldn’t know) and maybe his theory is right?
Enjoy your dead fish.
It is about context and intent. None of the examples you’ve quoted are intended to be insulting or demeaning.
Clarkson used it unthinkingly – hardly racist but ill-advised at best.
Oh, yeah, what he said^!
snafuNot an awfully ‘official’ thread if it doesn’t report all the news…
Former Ferrari engineer Nigel Stepney dies after being hit by truck
The former Ferrari engineer Nigel Stepney, who was sacked by the Formula One team after being accused of sabotage and leaking confidential data to McLaren in 2007, has died in a road accident, his sportscar team said.
The JRM team said their technical director and team manager was killed on Friday morning.
Kent police said in a separate statement that a 56-year-old was hit by a truck at 1.28am after stopping his van on the hard shoulder of the M20 motorway at Ashford.
“For reasons yet to be established, the man appears to have entered the carriageway and was then in collision with an articulated goods vehicle. He was pronounced deceased at the scene,” police said.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/may/02/nigel-stepney-killed-crash-truck-ferrari-formula-one
snafuSandals, walking, yes.
Socks, yes.
Sandals and socks, together, an abomination.
What colour socks do you wear with your sandals – white or beige?
snafuI am now confused about the confusion that has been caused to my head about the confusion of thread numbers!
Signed Confused of Bristol
Your previous post was #162, which is the one that John Green was referencing in his post #154 – he got the number wrong.
If you ask nicely Snafu might delete it and continue the trend!;)
Dream on; I’ve not noticed any deletions and I keep all my mistakes up and on display.
This thread is about mumblin’ Jeremy Clarkson – stay focused people.
Anyone can make an mistake – even me. You do it most of the time. Single me out and you’ll be in my target area for a long time.
A mistake, you? And I suppose, in you eyes, my mistake is to contradict your rants…
snafuOh, terribly sorry.
“Hadn’t been updated for 14 days”.
Or “no updates for two weeks…”
Would you like me to convert it into hours, minutes, or seconds?
snafuSorry, not getting at anybody, but Stepney was an important guy until his fall from grace so when I saw that this thread hadn’t been updated since last month…
snafuSo they can hardly be a ‘latent threat’… Unless tankered there and back, of course.
snafuWhat??? Which ‘im?
Type English!
snafuHowever, I think we should also think what this may look like from a different perspective; how would we feel if this was, for example, a photograph of a dead British soldier with, say, an Argentine soldier giving the ‘thumbs-up’?
Exactly.
In WWII US military photographers were allowed free range to photograph any dead Japanese they could find, but not the faces of dead German or Italian troops. Why? Because they might have family in America!
I’ve seen photo’s of dead British pilots from WWI, as well as the obligatory hanging from barbed wired image, although mainly they were not identifiable. British troops were forbidden from taking their own cameras to France (it didn’t stop a few from doing so, though), whereas German troops were encouraged to bring their expensive cameras despite the immense cost of film and processing.
Very few of British/Commonwealth dead from WWII were snapped, the Dieppe raid and the occasional bomber crew alongside the wreckage of the aircraft being exceptions I can think of.
German photographers snapped their own dead almost as much as they did dead Russians, mainly on the Eastern front.
Not seen much from Korea, but Vietnam was the one where nearly every US soldier had a camera and the opportunity to show those at home what their war was like and what was important to them – friends, scenes and the locals, dead or alive. Up until now the vast majority of pictures had been taken by professionals, but cameras, processing and film were all cheap enough for the lowly soldiery to participate.
I’ve not seen many ‘personal’ photos from British soldiers in the Falklands, certainly not ones involving enemy dead, which goes with all the other more recent conflicts too – the shriveled head of the Iraqi truck driver from the 1991 Gulf War was taken by a professional…
Shock outrage over one insurgent. I wonder what the reaction would be had it been the other way around?
Remember the deceased chopper crew and their two Delta Force defenders who were dragged around Mogadishu in 1993? Imagine the resentment and horror in the media had they been British – don’t tempt fate by giving lame thumbs ups and big grins to the camera whilst posed next to your dead foes…
snafuDamn – spent ages trying to remember the name of a David Niven film usually repeated once a year in the afternoon on Channel 4, only to find it already mentioned – Carrington VC. Another of that ilk but not featuring a courts martial, rather what happens after a courts martial, is the very good The Hill (1965).
snafuI remember John Lennons Working Class Hero being played one Sunday evening after the top 40 countdown.
And a discussion on the radio about whether Pretty Vacant by The Sex Pistols had rather too much emphasis on the last syllable of the last word when repeated in the chorus, something that Johnny Rotten played up when they made their only appearance on Top Of The Pops in 1977…
But getting back to the ‘n’ word.
Oliver’s Army, written and sung by Elvis Costello, has not been censored since it was released, not until digital station BBC 6Music apparently played it with the word removed in March last year – despite Costello singing it in full, no censor, at Glastonbury that year and shown in full on the BBC’s coverage. Frank Skinner covered the song when he impersonated Elvis Costello for the BBC’s Celebrity Stars In Their Eyes in 1998.
snafuFirstly, have to ask why there was no warning attached to the recording, and where was his producer at the time?
Second, have to point out the hypocrisy of the BBC allowing one DJ who never actually said the word to ‘fall on his sword’ whilst the presenter who deliberately said the word twice gets away with a warning. You can see that the money is favoured…
Had to chuckle at Jon Holmes on The Now Show this weekend – “Jeremy Clarkson, the second ‘c’ word!’
snafuIt quite amazes me that a mumbled quote from a traditional nursery rhyme never actually broadcast has taken up so much media, political and forum time. God knows how absorbed we will all be when something really important happens!!:rolleyes:
So no answer to my question then?
Are you saying that Clarkson’s use of the ‘n’ word was accidental, ironic, and playful?
Just a reminder…
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