snafuNot going to claim it as an accidental slip of the finger, for ‘5’ rather than ‘4’ then?
snafuD-Day crossword revelations of 1945 !
Strange, I would have thought that the revelation would have been more interesting early the previous year.
snafu1842 Dr. William Bryden was the only western survivor of the retreat of 16,500 men, women and children from Kabul, Afghanistan (although around 115 others were taken prisoner and survived to be eventually released).
1929
Wyatt Earp, famous for the Gunfight at the OK Corral, died in Los Angeles, aged 80.
1982 Air Florida flight 90, Boeing 737 N62AF, crashed into the Potomac river in Washington DC, killing 78 people after failing to clear snow from its wings. Five survived.
1991 13 people were killed and more than 140 injured as Soviet troops cracked down on protesters in Vilnius, Lithuania, as they tried to protect a TV and radio station, broadcasting news from the newly declared independent Lithuanian government, after the local Communist party appealed to Moscow for help.
2004 former GP Harold Shipman, believed to have killed more than 200 people, was found hung in his prison cell in Wakefield Prison*.
snafuOk, I’m not going to ban anyone, especially as I could be seen as biased one way or the other.
However, it’s time for Snafu and Mycroft to start playing nicely please, or at least to respect that each is entitled to their opinion.
Bruce (moderating hat on)
Ban me, ban me! It would annoy Mycroft, he’d be trying to demonstrate his views to an even smaller audience (play nicely).
Playing nicely hat on…now. Although, as I have already (just) said, Farage seems to be less of the subject so feel free to split it, if you can.
You might want to point out to all that just because the auto censor has been active, the essence of the asterisks is not hidden; it is a bit like a bleep being used on TV or radio, we all know someone has used the language even if we don’t know what is said – but the forum rules are designed to accommodate a family audience so (as in family viewing) surely there shouldn’t be any bleeps?
It might annoy Mycroft, if nothing else.;o)
[QUOTE=Mycroft;2367498]You still haven’t answered the questions. A very trivial border. If France keep posting asylum seekers to Calais, that tunnel may have to close.[/quote
From no border to a trivial border (play nicely), after having actual borders pointed out: a miracle! Please just accept there are borders, then move on.
I doubt they would block a Canadian-style deal. No benefit for the vast majority of them in doing so. They would face increasing unpopularity at home, where many of them are already weak, as people become unemployed. And there EU-related costs would be either unchanged, or increased, ours would be reduced. They will not give us free trade without free movement, of that I have little doubt, but they will give us a deal.
Oh, now you have ‘little doubt’ – despite wrestling with me about just such a prospect since whenever.
Can I guess that Old Mother May has said something (play nicely) that brought the situation home to you?
And some personal insults by yourself.
Granted. I called you a prat and a chump.
And it needs to be whilst other countries are still ‘squandering’ money on nukes.
Are we still that much of a world power that we need to show the world that we have nukes while our people are suffering economically from an NHS crisis and the rest of it?
Nothing to deny, it was incomprehensible drivel.
Bruce wants us to play nicely.
Yes it is an answer. When people in The Middle East make a mess, leave them there to clean it up. That way they might one day learn not to do it. It shouldn’t be a case of, “let’s start a war for the hell of it, right, what country should I choose now that my own is screwed?”
Even if we caused it? The Crusades? Lawrence of Arabia and WWI? The Jewish concern being moved from Europe to Palestine? Backing Israel because they look more like us than the (other) locals? Beating up and invading Iraq?
The answer is that, on an order of magnitude basis, Sharia Law is as bad as Nazism and is certainly far more of a concern in today’s world.
(Play nicely).
Yes, there’s plenty of trouble there too. Somalia, Sudan, Mali, kidnappings in Nigeria, Christians murdered on Easter in Pakistan, Taliban in Pakistan, Bin Laden hiding there. Leave them there to their own thing too.
Ahem – bin Laden is dead, old news (play nicely).
Another set of places into which we have thrust out noses – the Russians invaded and we encouraged the resistance, who turned into…what? Pakistan is another of our side effects.
Converting and coercion is much harder than simply flooding a few million people in. And Muslims tend to be more easily persuaded by radical Islam, because they’re already half-way there. Any security system can be beaten but that shouldn’t stop you locking your car right? No point making it easy for them.
Conversion has been ongoing despite the awful publicity, coercion depends on the lever (what would you do to defend your family?).
What makes you think ordinary Muslims – the ones who know that killing is wrong since that is what the Koran says – are more easily persuaded by the radicals to do what they know to be wrong? I know that while the Bible has all sorts of thou shalt‘s the majority of them are ignored by those who call themselves christian, but that does not always cross over to other religions (play nicely).
You’re right that was just an analogy but it’s the same principle. And how many people train their dog well, or are even responsible? I think the level of dog-cr4p around answers that one.
Another one that has little to do with the thread title (play nicely)… Where your hound defecates has little to do with dog training, other than whether the owner picks it up afterwards.
Haven’t you heard? Brexit is the future, deal with it. Your ideal future involves exporting lots of jobs and importing lots of immigrants. That is the whole globalist ideal and direction for wealthy nations. It only makes sense for the poorer nations who export people and import jobs. Why would anyone here possibly find it a good idea, apart from the wealthy few who benefit? What on Earth is good about it?
Brexit is only the future in Britain, at the moment.
My future does not involve anything you mention – another example of your wishful thinking (play nicely). And as for the wealthy few who benefit…what makes you believe that they will go against their own principals?
Quite easy really. Certain sites are known to contain Malware, so these sites are blocked. And what do you mean ‘until it has attacked a few’? I think you’ll find that’s already happened more than ‘a few’ in this analogy.
This very site had malware concerns a few weeks ago.
So, analogy aside, if a terrorist comes from South America you would immediately block all flights from that continent until the terrorists religion/cause is established? But if that terrorist is one of the converts who has not crowed about his/her religion on social media, what then?
France (10% population) = Frequent terror attacks.
Syria (~100% population) = War zone.
Can I guess that by 10% population you are referring to Muslims in France? And since you are wrong about Syria (play nicely), if that is the case, can we really be sure about your guessing with French Muslims (play nicely)? There are very few countries where 100% of the population are anything but assumed resident at the time of the census (play nicely).
A little bit of searching comes up with a figure of 74% of Syrians being Sunni Muslims, the rest being (by percentage) Kurds, Turkomans, Circassians, and Palestinians.
See the pattern.
Ha, of course. You pulled some numbers out of the air and made up a pattern to fit in with your plot (play nicely).
There are various states of decay between 10% and 100% but you can see the trend. It starts with the odd terror attack at low percentages, e.g. UK, US, Spain, Germany, then the momentum builds, e.g. France, then somewhere in between you get the Indo-Pak border region with on-off sporadic fighting, then you progress towards full scale war at high percentages, e.g. Iraq, Syria etc. The facts aren’t politically correct but they are correct.
You do not have the right facts (play nicely) so how can it be correct? What sort of engineer are you (play nicely), might I ask?
9/11 was a bad attack, but attacks have been infrequent, because of the relatively low percentage in the population.
9/11 had nothing to do with the residential Muslims (0.9% of US population), except to make things even more difficult for them. All the attackers were legally in the country as well.
Relatively minor compared to the continuous, indiscreet abuse by the likes of ISIS. If you want to put things in perspective, if the US had the same mentality as ISIS and the same disregard for rights, The Middle East would not exist and nor would Muslims.
Relatively minor is a relative term – like shooting dead a wounded captive, or beating a detainee to death under interrogation – it is very major to the person affected and very bad for the morale of those who are doing their job by the book only to discover that all their good work has been undermined by those who don’t follow the rules.
The vast majority of the extraordinary rendition cases that have been revealed have been shown to have been mistakes: men who have been taken on the street (estimated to be around 100 from Europe alone), flown to other countries (several East European countries are suspected but Poland is a definite, also Syria, Jordan, Egypt, the UAE, Yemen, Afghanistan, Libya – before Gaddafi was overthrown, obviously), interrogated using methods that have long been discredited, including torture (Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, of al Qaeda, was tortured until he agreed with his torturers that Saddam Hussein had trained al Qaeda in chemical and biological warfare methods and that ‘proof’ provided Bush with grounds to invade Iraq), physically and sexually abused (how else can you describe the rough forcing of a gun barrel into a body cavity, repeatedly, when asking questions?), then held for several months or years before either turning up in Guantanamo or being released. Italy has even taken legal action after a man was seized in Milan:
On 4 November 2009, an Italian judge convicted 22 suspected or known CIA agents, a U.S. Air Force (USAF) colonel, and two Italian secret agents of the kidnapping.
There is quite a bit of talk about people who are known to have been seized but have not been heard of since; both Syria and Egypt have been ‘fingered’ as places where suspects were interrogated to death, with US sources saying that as long as it was not US citizens doing the dirty work then they were in the clear.
Seizing and murdering terrorists is not right – who makes the murderer a judge, shouldn’t the deceased have been put before a court and their crimes revealed and judged? But seizing and murdering suspects, especially when it has been demonstrated that the intelligence behind accurately choosing suspects has been pretty damned poor, is the sort of thing that needs to be stopped and legally prevented with the chain of responsibility being legally responsible, even if the death is in some third world country at the hands of someone who could be clearly judged a legal psychopath.
The fact is that ISIS is to western eyes strictly a terror group, whereas the US government is not supposed to be a terrorist organisation doing terrifying things – even to scum of the earth, and certainly not suspects.
And just because ISIS do it does not mean others should (play nicely).
Extraordinary rendition. There were to many Remain voters in London, so we colluded with the CIA to get rid of them. RT were in on it too.
Another (play nicely) fantasy?
Nigel Farage and Brexit are inextricably linked.
But how many posts must come and go (play nicely), without mentioning him, before thread drift is called?
snafuThe other problem? Are they going to ban you? That’s the only other problem I see. A guy clearly not discussing the facts and just trolling.
There has been quite a lot of bad language displayed on this thread (and a few others). We get kids on here, apparently, not that they are going to learn anything new from us, about language anyway.
Why would cutting our own defences go down well when we can equally well save money by not squandering it overseas, or paying it towards trying to help public services keep pace with immigration?
And some would say it is squandered with nukes.
Incomprehensible drivel.
Didn’t deny it though.
Most people have learnt but Sharia Law and its practitioners remain stuck doing the same thing and expecting a different result. The result every time is of course the same – a ****hole that they then try an leave. When a child makes a mess, the correct action is to make them stay and clean it up themselves.
Is this an answer? I am trying to link it with something I have typed but other than Sharia Law you could be talking about your great grand kids.
A simple acknowledgement rather the the old tried and failed Islamist Apologist routine.
To what? If this is in the right order then I asked a simple question – you wanted specifics.
Just keep The Middle East in The Middle East, plain and simple, that’s what I’d do. Best place for it. No point ruining even more countries. You can’t do background checks on people you have no information about.
Which countries? Syria, Iraq. Iran. Saudi, the Lebanon, Turkey, Israel, Jordan, Yemen, etc. What about the African countries, and the Asian countries?
It’s a simple but effective solution. Sure they will try bypass it, but it would be much harder to do it that way than simply flooding the country with militants because of a porous border. We’re not striking down on Muslims as a whole, just those trying to get here from The Middle East and other terrorist hot spots. If they’re not here they won’t be able to kidnap/ransom people as easily.
If? If they are not here then they use those who are – the converts, the coerced…
Exactly, and statistically they are the ones who are of least economic benefit and most economic burden. Some even using benefits money for the purpose of terrorism. A dog only cares about dinner, they are not your friend, they just hang around, like a crack head that you keep giving money to.
You really need to train your dog – your are supposed to be the pack leader. And I don’t believe you giving money, least of all to a druggy.
No, only 48% of us lost.:eagerness: Who cares about a forum vote when 33 million people have already voted. I believe the general consensus was that they find your ideas and persuasions idiotic.:eagerness:
You carry on living in the past, whilst the rest of us look to the future.
So why make it easy for them. The best way to stop a virus affecting your computer is to block it from entry and the same applies to terrorists.
And how do you know something is a virus – you trust the experts. How do they know it is a virus until it has attacked a few computers that have been able to tell the experts, and then they have had to form a way to prevent it.
Well France has the highest EU Muslim population and has had the most attacks. Now a quick look at rapes in Sweden.
You did not specify just Europe.
9/11 was a very bad attack but of late attacks in France have been far more frequent. Syria is not in the EU though….. yet.:rolleyes:
Last time I looked neither was New York (America).
I would not condone breaching human rights directly but I certainly wouldn’t offer shelter and protection to those who breach them on a regular basis without care.
So you would throw the US military out of Britain? They did a fair bit of the torturing and transport, after all.
That was the only way to get the Remain vote down.:eagerness:
Ok, I am confused. What was?
Ok, I have been concerned for sometime that this has not had any connection to Farage, but to be seen to ignore questions directed at me would be seen to ‘chicken out’. Mods, if you want to extract the relevant sections to somewhere else then I won’t scream about censorship…
snafu1. That’s a non-answer. (Straight from the Jeremy Corbyn manual I believe.:rolleyes:)
2. Another non-answer.
3. Ditto.
4. You have implied exactly that. In fact, since 18-30 year-old immigrants ‘don’t cost anything’, I think you personally should pay every time they use public services.:eagerness:
5. Another non-answer, you’ve clearly ran out of brain-power way back.
6. If it was your money spent on public services for immigrants it would not be trivial either.
Not if we get a trade deal with the US instead – much larger market there. You never know, given the relationship between Farage and their next president, they may even do considerable ‘persuading’ of the EU to give us a free trade deal.:cool:
We also buy considerably more from most major economies in the EU than they buy from us. So how much would they want to cut of their balls to spite their c0ck anyway? And right now, we pay a very high indirect price for trade in the form of the EU subscription and pressure on public services. And this is a cumulative cost, thus a fixed cost would be preferable.
7. We don’t have a border with continental Europe either, so why wouldn’t we get the same deal, i.e. no free movement?
No. You have utterly ignored one very big point – I have been telling you what the government had been told by the EU before the vote.
It doesn’t matter whether you convert me (ha!) or not, because they have told us what they expect us to accept or no deal.
Oh, and we do have a border with Europe – like it or not Ireland is in Europe. Did you forget that? And that is quite apart from the very busy ferry service between Dover and Calais (and other connections are available, but you get the picture) where I am sure the locals would point out the French coast across the way. And then there is the Chunnel, which is a dry connection with the opportunity for a border at each end if you want.
snafuGeography not my strong point? Tell that to the people who think Turkey should be in the EU.
What has that got to do with anything? What are Poland and the other East European countries doing in NATO? Why is Israel (and Australia) in Eurovision?
Forum regulations, I can’t see any regulations about criticising terrorists.
Thank goodness for that, maybe the mods will assist with the ‘other’ problem.
No, we don’t have the money. We have 90+% debt and a deficit last I looked.
It is all budgeted for, and has been for decades. There has been talk about us backing out of our nuclear defence commitments and covering our backsides financially that way; I dare say that won’t go well with you either.
Ah a journalist, a professional liar, almost as bad.
Quite right: but at least I don’t shake my head, give a sharp intake of breath and mutter about not being able to get the parts like I have been suddenly surprised, though…
Nice way to evade the original point. ISIS and Sharia Law is the Khmer Rouge and Nazism of the 21st century.
You forgot to mention Stalin and Mao; actually, I cannot understand why I’ve forgotten the Japanese and their treatment of the Chinese, as well as those unfortunate enough to have been their prisoners.
And I still don’t have a figure that will get you out of this hole.
Nobody ever has exact figures in these cases. Same goes for Hitler, Stalin and Mao and wars in general. There are estimates from minimums to maximums covering a range.
So when you asked if I knew how many had been killed, and the answer you were going to fall back on yourself was just ‘millions’, what exactly was it you were after?
Yeah, background checks have really France and Germany haven’t they?
Oh, so you wouldn’t do background checks? It was your scenario after all. Just because they didn’t appear to work in France and Germany is no reason to throw them away.
On the other hand losing ‘unkill’ is a positive step.
Right, so because our security services are doing a better job than those across the world, that’s okay then? And I guess Stalin and Mao didn’t kill anyone in Britain either, and the holocaust also happened in other EU countries, so that can be discounted too right?
Of course it is ok, but it is not a reason to rest on your laurels. As our security forces advance so does the terrorist technology.
I am guessing you want to close our borders to all those with a funny name and a beard, a particular religion being another pointer, but ISIS and friends will just take a sudden turn and start using people who are not ‘out’ Islamists, or even western converts. One other way, frequently used in Iraq, I believe, would be for families to be kidnapped and (usually) an adult male to be turned into a suicide bomber on pain of the knowledge that his family would be slaughtered if he tried to give warning or failed to go through with it. If we manage to prevent terrorism by striking down on Muslims as a whole then we risk causing more disharmony, but eventually there might be a terror-share scheme as practised by (for example) the Palestinians and the Red Army Faction (Germany) or the Japanese Red Army, who were not adverse to carrying out bombing, shootings or hijackings for each others causes.
And I believe Stalin and Mao were happy spreading their tentacles anywhere their enemies might be hiding. State sanctioned assassinations have probably been carried out by most countries abroad at one time or another in the years since WWII.
There are plenty of skilled people around the world who are not from The Middle East, or even Muslims.
Indeed, just as the best man for the job might just be a woman. And man’s best friend being his dog.
We’ve already had a vote on the 23rd of June, or have you forgotten? Hint: You lost!:eagerness:
I believe we all lost, in some way. I was actually thinking of a forum vote.
More terrorist attacks aren’t going to help social cohesion for Muslims or non-Muslims.
Maybe that would be the intention of the terrorists?
And there is a pretty direct correlation between the number of terrorist attacks and the total number of Muslims.
Is there really? Are you implying that Muslim countries have a lot of terrorism simply because they are Muslim countries?
Please feel free to post links from media sites that are not right wing incitement websites.
It’s no coincidence that France has seen the worst of it. *Waits for you to attribute this to the Burka ban. Because of course, rational people blow things up when women don’t wear a tent.*
What on earth are you on about? Are you saying 9/11 was not as bad as the Paris shootings? I might even say that Syria is worse than 9/11…
Have you been to America? The muumuu is a sort of integrated changing room that originated in Hawaii, and is usually worn by ladies of an expanded waistline (which is where, I’m guessing, you are going with blow up?).
I’m thinking about the case of Abu Hamza. He have been gone long ago were it not for the ECHR.
You and your sordid fantasies don’t interest me.
Your views on human rights come through in your grave concern [/sarcasm] for your fellow man. Little things like torture, inhumane conditions, extraordinary rendition are a bonus to you, I’m guessing.
But Abu Hamza was not extradited until the courts were satisfied that the US would breach the rulings of the ECHR, especially after those terrifyingly scary and legally embarrassing stories came to light of the Americans grabbing people they had decided were involved in terrorism off the streets of Europe (and other parts of the world), or getting the local police/ militia to do the grabbing, and secretly flying them to other countries where they were tortured. The way the US has treated suspects has not helped the way the west is regarded, no matter whether the suspect is a scumbag like Abu Hamza (who, incidentally, didn’t lose his eye and hands in action) or not.
snafuWarburton died in a P38, not an RAF one, or even borrowed…
On 1 April 1944, he was posted as the RAF Liaison Officer to the 7th Photographic Reconnaissance Group, US 8th Army Air Force, then based at RAF Mount Farm in Oxfordshire.
Warburton was the pilot of one of two Lockheed F-5B photo-reconnaissance aircraft (a version of the Lockheed P-38 Lightning fighter) that took off together from Mount Farm on the morning of 12 April 1944 to photograph targets in Germany. Although, as a liaison officer, Warburton should not be flying missions, he was given specific permission to fly by the American base commander, Lt-Col. Elliott Roosevelt, the son of the then president of the USA. The aircraft separated approximately 100 miles north of Munich to carry out their respective tasks; it was planned that they would meet and fly on to a USAAF airfield in Sardinia. He failed to arrive at the rendezvous point and was not seen again.
Years of speculation about his fate came to an end in 2002, when his remains were found in the cockpit of his plane, buried about 2 m (6 ft 7 in) deep in a field near the Bavarian village of Egling an der Paar, 34 miles west of Munich. According to witnesses, the aircraft fell there on 12 April 1944, around 11:45. One of the propellers had bullet holes in it, which suggests that Warburton had been shot down. Parts of the wreck can be seen today in the Malta Aviation Museum.[12]
Consensus seems to be that he flew Marylands and a Beaufighter for most of his work in the Mediterranean, but I stand to be corrected.
And as for Eric Brown and his Airacobra, I stand corrected:
In March 1946, a visiting Bell Test pilot visited the Test establishment to oversee Laminar Flow experiments being conducted with Bell P-63 Kingcobras.
Just for a laugh I asked him to test my old Bell Airacobra, which I had been using for so many hops around the country. He took off, did one very quick circuit, and came back ashed-faced. ‘I have never,’ he said, ‘flown in an aeroplane in such an advanced state of decay. This machine should be scrapped forthwith.’ So, on 28th March, I went up for a last aerobatic session in her, then bade a sentimental farewell. The last laugh was on me.
AH574 was duly scrapped shortly afterward,[4] and Brown was later given a Fieseler Storch as a replacement.[5]
Taken from Wings On My Sleeve: The World’s Greatest Test Pilot tells his Story, by Eric Brown.
snafu49 BC (probably this day) Julius Caesar committed an act of treason and crossed the Rubicon river, signalling the start of the Great Roman Civil War. (The Rubicon river marked the northern border of Roman Italy, and any Roman general who crossed it at the head of his troops was immediately condemned to death, as were his soldiers.)
1810 The French church annuls the marriage of Napoleon I and Empress Joséphine.
1839 Tea carried direct from India arrives in Britain for the first time.
1941 The lend-lease programme is introduced to the US congress by US president Franklin Roosevelt. The programme was intended to assist Britain in beating off Hitler’s assaults, whilst keeping America out of World War II.
1954 BOAC fight 781, DH Comet I G-ALYP, crashed 20 minutes after taking off from Rome, on a flight from Singapore to London. All 35 on board were killed, including WWII war correspondent Chester Wilmot.
1985 the 15mph, single seat electric tricycle, the Sinclair C5, was allowed, despite safety concerns, to drive on British roads.
2016 Death of David Bowie, 69
snafuA lady who helped rescue thousands of people from Nazi Germany in the 1930s, oh and she also got the scoop on the invasion of Poland in 1939 and Kim Philby defecting in 1963…
Clare Hollingworth, the veteran British war correspondent who broke the news of the Nazi invasion of Poland, has died in Hong Kong at the age of 105.
Hollingworth, who was born in Leicester in 1911, was the first to report on the invasion that triggered the outbreak of World War Two.
She went on to report from Vietnam, Algeria and the Middle East.
snafu1.Would you apply the same free-for-all to all global immigration to the UK, under similar arrangements to those in the EU?
I have no idea. Is the answer immigration?
2. If not, what makes the rest of the world so different?
I am guessing here but…is it because they are not Europeans?
3. What is the reason for income boundaries on non-EU immigration and why are they not equally applicable to EU immigration?
Oooh, I know this one…it’s on the tip of my tongue…! Is the answer immigration?
4. If it’s your position that 18-30 year-olds paying £4000/year less gross tax+NI than the national average are still beneficial because they don’t get ill, then why can’t we simply reduce all 18-30 year-olds down to paying ~£2000/year in gross tax+NI?
I don’t know that that is my position. I have never said that, nor implied it.
Like I said, putting words into my mouth.
5. And let’s pretend this low income immigration was beneficial, it takes quite an imagination, but just suppose. Would it not be more beneficial to replace them with half as many people earning 4 times as much from non-EU countries anyway?
You carry on pretending. Is the answer immigration?
I shall wait over here, watching, waiting…
The answers to these questions are why you lost the referendum and it’s about time all the George Soros finger-puppets grew up and realised it.
Now I do remember answering this one – I said so, nothing to do with Farage then? John Green will be crying because of your snub.
6. Even with no deal, tariffs under WTO regulations are trivial these days and with the fall in the £ it won’t affect exports that much. They export plenty to us as well. So either they want to cut off their nose to spite their face or they don’t.
Define trivial. If it is your money being spent on tariffs then it is not trivial.
Britain produces little and the fall in sterling will help there, but it makes everything we import that much more expensive and whether WTO tariffs are trivial or not (and they are not – 50% for lamb? 30% for beef?) they will make imports even more pricey.
And don’t be fooled that we are the only destination for European exports – they can find other places to put their products and we would no longer be buying at the ‘mates rates’ that we had when we were part of the EU, in fact they will charge us on top for the paperwork, and as it is business they will slap some nice fat profit on top of that.
I guess your answer is immigration.
7. Canada got a deal anyway without accepting free movement.[/B]
Answered this one already. Common border, remember? Or immigration.
I’m going to add them to every single reply until you answer them, just that people reading will know exactly the kind of person they’re with when it comes to you.
They already know, and they will have worked out what kind of person you are by now, if they hadn’t already. Something to do with that little up-down hand motion, I think.
Canada doesn’t have free movement imposed on it either.
Hey, I answered that already. Dementia setting in? Or is it immigration?
And you think that explains why the NHS is over-stressed despite funding having doubled in real terms.
Oh, I get it. The answer is…immigration.
No, I am not going to show you my workings out.
snafuIt’s questionable if any of the Lightning Is were ever accepted by the RAF – sources differ, with some saying that the three that eventually turned up at Boscombe were ‘borrowed’ from the USAAF.
The RAF (officially) never had Lightnings until EE introduced them.
The USAAF lent the RAF three of the aircraft, which were delivered by sea in March 1942[53] and were test flown no earlier than May[54] at Cunliffe-Owen Aircraft Swaythling, the Aeroplane and Armament Experimental Establishment and the Royal Aircraft Establishment.[51] The A&AEE example was unarmed, lacked turbochargers and restricted to 300 mph; though the undercarriage was praised and flight on one engine described as comfortable.[55] These three were subsequently returned to the USAAF; one in December 1942 and the others in July 1943.[53]
The Lightning was ordered for the French as well as the RAF without the handed engines and without the turbochargers (which were in short supply and which would have delayed the project substantially had they been insisted on), but there were problems with the handling and the need for for such a type was questioned so the order was cancelled, bar three, in late summer 1941. Lockheed wanted the RAF to take all the order, but after Pearl Harbour the US government seized them.
Incidentally, Britain named the Lightning – Lockheed was going to call it the Atalanta (they had a tradition for naming their aircraft after mythological characters).
Eric Brown liked the P39 – he made the first tricycle undercarriage landing in AH574 in 1945, under the guise of an emergency, with the first take off following close behind. I believe he was habitually throwing AH574 around the sky on what turned out to be its final flight when a Bell rep (I think?) took a look at it on landing and made some comment about how on earth it was still flying, such was its condition…
snafuI was actually talking about the EU but never mind. The Middle East?
Depends on where you draw the line, I suppose, but I have mention Libya several times and I’m not sure that counts as Middle East, more Africa. Nor would Niger or Chad, I imagine, but possibly Sudan does come under the header ‘Middle East’. All except the Sudan are below Italy (the one that looks like a boot) and Greece and are therefore closest.
But enough geography – it is not your strong point.
We’ve been giving those a-holes aid for decades and also tried building infrastructure in their own countries but all they ever did was blow both it and each other up. In fact it seemed very obvious that they didn’t want our help, and frankly they are beyond it anyway. If they were trying to help themselves, they wouldn’t still be stuck in the 6th century culturally. And we should plough money into other countries to stop immigration, when our own clucking health service is under threat despite still having a deficit and having already doubled funding for it? Sorry that’s impossible, we don’t have the money… obviously…. durrrrrrr. How about, instead, we just simply actually try having an immigration policy, and say sorry but you can’t come in. This isn’t a new concept, it was once common place, it’s just that now a few million millennial libtards think it’s uncool.
You are quite the one with the potty mouth, aren’t you. Take a look at the forum regulations.
We do have money. Durr? Do you remember the recent saga of the Ethiopian Spice Girls? The singing group Yegna was just a small part of a project designed to assist with (amongst other things) tackling domestic violence, mainly against women, and forced marriage, promoting the female gender in a positive way. In its best traditions the Daily Mail sunk its teeth into just the singing group part of the project and decided – without actually trying to figure out what was happening here – that the Department for International Development was wasting money purely on a pop group, not a project that has empowered women in a part of the world where women have been regarded as mere chattels.
Britain has invested (and I do mean invested, rather than just throwing money into it) in many projects all around the world. Unfortunately some nations seem to take the mickey with their participation in the space race (although India has an awful lot of private investment in their entry) and the Mail leaps on this like a hungry man at an all you can eat buffet, but the people the money assists are i/ alive, and ii/ helped in their lives where their own government has little or no interest in them.
I guess there is no reason to enlighten you about these things – you have already dismissed the opportunity try to distract people from trying to storm our borders – so I suppose you will be in favour of mining our beaches with anti personnel mines and rabid dogs on chains running along the high water mark.
I’m an Engineer. Now let me guess, you’re a Social Sciences research assistant?
Wrong. At the moment I am a journalist.
Well it’s bound to be, they haven’t killed anyone since this century began.
Thank goodness you’ve got it at last, and I don’t have to repeat it again.
There is no exact figure. All we can do is qualitatively add estimate from Iraq and Afghanistan pre-ISIS, to those in Syria, Yemen, Egypt, Mali, Sudan, Somalia etc. to the global totals including all terrorist atrocities like 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, Bali, Kenyan Embassy bombings, Paris, Cologne, Charlie Hebdo, Belgium……………………………… Get the picture.
Lots, then, but no figure.
Doctors occasionally unkill people with de-fib I guess, but that’s missing the point. If I take in 100 people and 50 of them are terrorists who kill a thousand people, the fact that the other 50 are moderates is no comfort or use in the slightest.
No. Bringing something back to life is unkill, according to dictionaries, although it sounds like an Orwellian mash up.
What you are describing sounds like the Trump skittles scenario. From what you have described I would say you were a poor selector of people, and how come you were not one of the 100, but the concept of you taking in anybody is far beyond belief, so… Maybe if you did some background checks on these people it might help.
Really? Looking forward to statistics showing that the IRA killed several million people.:stupid:
Not in Britain, which is what we were talking about, I believe. Not yet.
And some of them are registered as 14 different people, like the Tunisian guy in the most recent attacks.
SO you would favour restricting all movement of people from countries likely to be a source of terrorism, which at the moment would include all of Europe?
And if the documentation carried is fully valid, as it is probably the case for at least some of the Berlin market killers identities, what then? ‘Sorry, you can’t come in, you might be a terrorist?’ Might work for you, but let us see how long the country would let this go on for before the government ‘surrenders’ (your words, I imagine) and reopens the borders…
Incidentally, the chances are that there are one or two nations that would also have their diplomatic staff qualify for being turned back at the airports – Israel is renowned for letting Mossad roam freely throughout the world, including Britain, assassinating where they see fit whom so ever they feel is a necessary target, ignoring local laws, with the weapons usually coming in via the diplomatic bag. Libya used to be another, as did Iraq.
I have, and none of them are remotely as dumb as your posts.
Bet you a dollar? Or maybe a vote…
Where do you think they got their values from? The first generation immigrants who raised them.
Please, take off the blinkers.
Do you know how legal immigrants to Britain have been treated, whether they were asked to come here or just arrived on the off chance? Badly. Racism has been quite openly practised until relatively recently, and is still about although not quite as open now.
You kick a dog and it learns to cower; that does not mean it won’t choose its moment to attack.
In many places in Britain Muslims have more or less ghettoised themselves – made an area their own, moved their shops and mosques in, their schools close by, because they naturally want to associate with other Muslims, rather than those who yell abuse or even pick fights with them, smash their shop windows or shove excrement through letter boxes.
Under those circumstances, tell us, what would you do?
You want to understand what makes a terrorist, try to understand what some people go through in a normal day, in Leeds, in Bradford, in Finsbury Park. Imagine you are at school, the weak and weedy kid in class, the one who gets picked on by the popular kids, whose dinner money always gets stolen so you are hungry, whose bag is emptied into a toilet bowel at least once a week, who gets pushed under the showers fully dressed during PE, whose school books are torn up and homework is burned; now imagine what you would like to do to those bullies, but further, the bullying carries on after leaving school, in your workplace or when you are out socialising – and still imagine what you would wish upon those bullies. You see it happening to your family and relatives, your friends, the man down the road who has a lot of respect in your community, who tells you to turn the other cheek, the nice people who run the corner shop, and then someone whispers to you, ‘this isn’t right’.
Yes some recent immigrants may well have come here with murder on their minds, but the majority were peaceful because they originally came here to get away from that sort of life.
It will be much easier to deport offenders after we leave the EU.
Deport them where? Britain will not deport people anywhere which might endanger them (which includes murder suspects to the US, unless we are assured that the death penalty will not be applied to the case – such is the fear that we might send an innocent man to their death). And we won’t deport anyone who was born here to another country, no matter what you might think or wish.
And why will it be easier? Are we dispensing with the world renowned British sense of justice?
No dude, there were seven question here which you never replied to.
Didn’t know you were from the Bronx…
I had it explained to me long ago that the word ‘dude’, whilst not being the reason for the popularity of the word in America, is as close enough as makes no difference when pronounced in an American drawl to the word used for camel testicles in Egypt, which apparently makes native speaking Egyptians chuckle.
[B]Here the are again.
Isn’t this fun…
Answer these questions or don’t bother replying:
Ah, a challenge.
Who died and made you forum police?
snafuA singer whom the NME would have you believe died at an extremely great age, although he was actually 75…
Peter Sarstedt, the singer-songwriter best known for ‘Where Do You Go To (My Lovely?)’, has died at the age of 1969.
‘Where Do You Go To (My Lovely?)’ spent four weeks at Number One in the UK in 1969 and won Sarstedt an Ivor Novello award, shared with*David Bowie*for ‘Space Oddity’.*
A fictional Korean war padre who was also a smurf…
William Christopher, who rose to fame playing Father John Mulcahy on*M*A*S*H, has died, his rep confirmed to PEOPLE.*He was 84.
A heavyweight film star and multiple killer…
Tilikum, the most famous killer whale in the United States, died Friday after a year-long illness and*quarter century of performances*streaked with*violence.
The many-tonned*orca*— believed to be 36 years old and linked to the deaths of three people*in that time — likely succumbed to a lung infection early in the morning,*according to a statement released by SeaWorld.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/animalia/wp/2017/01/06/tilikum-the-killer-whale-linked-to-three-human-deaths-has-died/
A world famous tree, that might have survived longer had they not carved a tunnel through its trunk 137 years previously…
Storms in California have toppled one of America’s most famous trees – the Pioneer Cabin Tree.
The giant sequoia was known for having a hole cut through its trunk – big enough for a car to drive through.
The tree, estimated to be more than one thousand years old, was felled by the strongest storm to have hit the area in more than a decade.
snafuIgnoring the troll spam comments.
Why not do something in their homeland? Well is it really my job, or the job of our government to do something in their homelands? Surely that’s their job.
Sorry – you want people who feel they have nothing to lose risking drowning in the Med to do something in their homelands? We are (apparently) an advanced nation with a duty to assist where we can (although obviously not as far as you are concerned). How about the concept that it might be cheaper to help these people at home rather than having to house them, feed them and investigate them here?
Incidentally, I have asked several times what your job is and why you are apparently so suitably qualified to pass judgement, without any answer.
Yes, I do know, millions this century and counting.
A lovely, exact figure. And, of course, much more that Hitler, Stalin, Mao, et al this century…
Why, is ‘millions’ not enough to be considered serious enough?
Why not say billions, or gazillions? It is an easy word to use since it doesn’t actually represent an exact figure, rather like a few or several, but sweeps over a range of high numbers.
How many is ‘few’? In the Battle of Britain it was a couple of thousand…(2927)
No, I don’t know of moderates ever unkilling anyone, hence why they are irrelevant.
Prat. Ignoring the question again?
The Irish were never as big a problem and there wasn’t the same clash of values and cultures either.
And they looked like us but with an accent, whereas the potential Islamic terrorist is so much easier – looking different to the Irish!
Plus the IRA killed more in their attacks, but that doesn’t count, I suppose.
But not all the terrorists just across the channel are homegrown and even the ones who are EU born, are free to come and go to the UK as they please.
True, but if they have all the correct documentation needed then they would be just as free to come and go. Again, much like the Irish did…
Right, so if they’re second generation immigrants committing terrorism, that automatically means that there’s no problem with that type of immigration? That’s got to be the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard.
Really? You should go back and have a look at some of your previous posts…
If they are home grown then there is obviously a need to sort something out, but they have rights (no matter how much you abhor the idea that other people have rights) and, just like the infamous ‘sus’ law (the stop and search individuals on suspicion which targeted in recent history mainly young black men, going some way to upset race relations and turn the community against the police), repeatedly picking on individuals because of the skin colour and religion will not sort the problem out (one of Lee Rigby’s killers was repeatedly detained, even held abroad, by the security services trying to turn him into their spy and this apparently – according to his defence – pushed him into becoming a terrorist).
[B]1. Still waiting for your answers to the questions I asked. Think I said something about not bothering to reply unless you can address the actual debate, which means answering those questions. Right now you’re just rattling like a tin can trying to bore people to death until they give up.
Really? You originally replied to me – farmers I believe – and have tried to make the subject about immigration.
Hmm. Now I am even more confused since I did reply to that rubbish.
Looking at it again I seem to recall there being quite a few replies along the lines of you making huge assumptions about things and putting lots of words in my mouth. I do believe I laughed heartily at your inane question about why Canada doesn’t have an open border policy forced on it – because it doesn’t have a common border with Europe, you chump – and what with the US having a fluid border with Mexico and Canada having a fluid border with the US you would be moaning about Mexicans getting access to Europe that way.
2. Also haven’t seen you address why NHS funding has doubled in real terms since 2000, yet we’re still overburdened.
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Costs have gone up, even if wages haven’t. Structural repairs will also have taken their chunk, plus the increase in the elderly population and the care they require. Savings made (say, in social care) creating costs elsewhere (bed blocking) or passing the problem along (from GP surgeries to more accessible A&E).
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