snafuNo nightmares if the show was just an edition of Celebrity Free-fall Without Parachute, where celebrities are awarded points for the depth of crater they make after falling from 10,000ft.
snafuA second EU referendum could be justified if it becomes clear public opinion has shifted strongly against Brexit, the former attorney general has said.
Dominic Grieve, a Conservative MP who was the Government’s chief legal advisor until 2014, said the result of the first referendum had to be “treated with respect” but that it was not necessarily set in stone.
In correspondence seen and verified by The Independent Mr Grieve tells a constituent that the result of the first referendum cannot be ignored, but that a second plebiscite could become democratically justifiable.
“We have to accept … that the referendum result represents, at the time it was held, a clear statement of a majority view that we should leave the EU,” he wrote. “In a democracy such a result cannot just be ignored. The Government and Parliament must treat it with respect. It is of course possible that it will become apparent with the passage of time that public opinion has shifted on the matter. If so a second referendum may be justified.”
Mr Grieve also rebuffed suggestions that supporters of the EU should not speak out against the result – arguing that in a free society people should be able to dispute the majority view. He said he remained supportive of people campaigning against Brexit, having been “deeply troubled” by the outcome of the vote.
That last bit needs to be taken on by John.
snafuTalking of missing…where is Charlie Hunt? Not posted since 12/6.
Maybe he has been abducted by east European illegals!
snafuFor all his unpleasantness he is quite rich and has made lots of money from his ventures (rather like Bob Geldof), so this failure will likely be marked down in his mind as being the viewers problem, not his.
snafuThe desk or the clutter?
snafuDoubt this is a concern on commercial airliners, you sure you’ve put this in the right forum?
snafuMore drivel for your lobotomy, John…
The fact that the INNERS up and down the country, not just on this forum, continue to bleat about the result of Brexit, like Boy George and Oily Dave, still advertising Armageddon, tells us something about the depth of bitterness and loathing in which they regard the winning opposition. Their actions have spoken as loudly as their words.
Just carry on whining and gloating, John. It is always good for a laugh.
Can you imagine the OUTERS, if the result had gone against them indulging in the same thoroughly reprehensible behaviour? No. We would have accepted the result and got on with it – good or bad.
Yes we can imagine it, John. You would have lashed out about traitors and fifth columnists in your standard little Englander, foot stamping way.
From their behaviour we can deduce that if the INNERS are, as they have shown themselves to be, we are in fact so much better off without their malign influence. Gracious in defeat they are not ! Personally I’m ashamed that most of them appear to be my countrymen and women.
…Because it demonstrates that some have different wants and desires for the future of Britain to you?
Lets face it: nothing is really going to change for over two years AT THIS POINT because article 50 has not been declared, and when it is declared we would still be in the EU until the agreed point (two years at the moment) at which point we could then start laying down the rules to Brussels and they can ignore them and tell us that – as they have told Switzerland – no single market access without free movement:
The European Union is to show its determination to make no concessions to the UK on Brexit terms by telling Switzerland it will lose access to the single market if it goes ahead with plans to impose controls on the free movement of EU citizens.
The Swiss-EU talks, under way for two years but now needing a solution possibly within weeks, throws up the exact same issues that will be raised in the UK’s exit talks – the degree to which the UK must accept free movement of the EU’s citizens as a price for access to the single market.
The Swiss are desperate to strike a deal in order to give its politicians time to pass the necessary laws to meet a February 2017 deadline imposed by a legally binding referendum in 2014.
Switzerland needs Europe – over half their product and trade goes to Europe, which will drop drastically if no agreement is reached – but they too have had a vote about open borders and immigration (which was as close as ours) which went against open borders.
Truly, on these grounds alone it was the correct result. The INNERS and their hate filled loathing have no place in polite society never mind politics.
Eh?
People complain about the result, therefore it must be right?
When terms like ‘hate filled loathing’ are used it reminds me of some of your posts against those who did not agree with you about your new messiah, although it does apply to a large segment on the right and, for example, their utter fantasy that immigrants were living in Sherwood Forest, slaughtering deer and threatening good British people with knives; who is trying to incite hatred and loathing here?
In fact your last sentence could be applied to lots of your moans – Corbyn and the Labour party, foreigners, illegal foreigners, anyone who says anything against Farage, mermaids, Europe, the EU, stick insects, regulations and laws imposed on us by Brussels, anyone who says anything against St Thatcher the Bedlamite, and kiwi fruit. I will admit to throwing a few chuckles into the mix but otherwise it is as it is.
Anyway, by your very words are you a hypocrite.
Beermat
Don’t make me change my mind about your intelligence.
Don’t worry, John, we had already made up our minds about yours long ago. (And it isn’t very flattering for you!)
I said shut up whinging and moaning.
Is this how you talk to your wife? Is this how you discuss things in polite society? Is this how you discuss things in politics? Or maybe this is how your great redeemer Farage deals with those who question him?
Take it on the political chin. It’s happened. You won’t change it. We’re out. Get used to it.
We are used to it. Nothing we can do except discuss it and watch Johnny get angry and stamp his feet!
That is precisely why I’m on my high horse. Bruce, apart from yourself, no one of whom I’m aware, has been at all close to being gracious in defeat.
In other words we have not bowed down to Farage the prophet and his representative on this earth, John Green. By the way, the same Farage who promised money for the NHS upon victory then admitted there was no money for the NHS…
Non stop whinging. Non stop complaining. Non stop accusations. No one at all from the INNERS prepared to put a positive spin on the result of Brexit. I’m very pleased that this forum is about as close as I’m likely to get to these sour ingrates.
Can almost feel the spittle hitting that monitor and hissing! He is so wound up, so annoyed, so cheesed off he could crush a grape!
John here is a positive spin on the situation: nothing is going to change for over two years except the political bickering.
Yours truly, a sour ingrate.
snafuNo disrespect but…as your signature implies, shouldn’t this be in Modern Military?
Also, where did you copy this from?
snafu^Takes a lot to knock Brexit off the front pages.
Back to the recently departed – a Nobel winner and survivor, the director who inspired the Simon Pegg comedy Hot Fuzz, and the director of a famous Russian roulette scene…
Elie Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor and winner of the Nobel Peace Prize who wrote about his experiences as a prisoner in three concentration camps, has died at the age of 87.
The American Romanian-born Jewish writer, academic and political activist, died on Saturday in Connecticut. The laureate wrote a total of 57 books, most famously Night, based on his experience as a prisoner in Auschwitz, Buna and Buchenwald concentration camps.
In 1986, Wiesel won the Nobel Peace Prize for what the Norwegian Nobel Committee called his “practical work in the cause of peace…atonement and human dignity” to humanity.
Film director Robin Hardy has died at the age of 86, a family friend has confirmed.
He was best known for cult British film The Wicker Man, starring Sir Christopher Lee and Edward Woodward.
The 1973 film told the story of police sergeant Howie, played by Woodward, who was sent to search for a missing girl on the fictional island of Summerisle.
Hardy, who went on to make follow-up The Wicker Tree in 2011, died on Friday, the friend said.
Last year, Hardy said he wanted to make a third Wicker Man film as a tribute to Sir Christopher.
The Wicker Man was Hardy’s feature debut, and he went on to direct only two more feature-length films. The second, The Fantasist, came 13 years after his debut.
Michael Cimino, the director of the Vietnam war classic The Deer Hunter and the infamous epic western Heaven’s Gate, has died. He was 77.
Thierry Fremaux, the director of the Cannes film festival, tweeted the news on Saturday, saying: “Michael Cimino has died, in peace, surrounded by friends and the two women who loved him. We loved him too.”
Cimino directed eight films, starting in 1974 with the highly rated Clint Eastwood and Jeff Bridges-starring crime movie Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, for which he also wrote the screenplay. The Deer Hunter, a harrowing story of friends from working class Pennsylvania played by Robert De Niro and Christopher Walken, in which a young Meryl Streep also appears and her then fiancé John Cazale takes his final role, followed in 1978.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jul/02/michael-cimino-director-deer-hunter-heavens-gate-dies
snafuThat would be a certainty after reading too much of your drivel. I’m partial to forget-me-not’s, they’re reputed to be good for one’s memory and being out of season should nicely assault your wallet.
So nice of you to think of me and, of course, nothing is too much for my friend Johnny: got that? Nothing…
snafuI’m with him^.
snafu…undercarriage and wheels (all round)…
Well, real, reproduction, replica or FSM, that is the tipping point for me!
Although, to be honest, it must be said that since it doesn’t have an original identity of its own (unlike those ‘reproductions’ and ‘replicas’ with genuine makers plates) it can never be regarded as a ‘real’ Spitfire. Its current identity duplicates a genuine survivor, albeit in Italy, and a large proportion of the identifiable genuine material that has gone into it would duplicate a very well known flyer; if it is a near reproduction what identity does it wear on the makers plate?
snafuYou mean you didn’t see it at the multiplex?
A jaw-dropping tale of rags to riches to rags to traumatic, heart rending devastation, a thrill a minute rollercoaster ride through the capitals of Europe, up the Himalayas, down the Marianas Trench, across the Kalahari Desert, through the Amazon jungle, jumping forward to the future, falling back to the days when John Green was a lad and argued with everybody, leaping to other dimensions, and getting home in time for tea. And the hero got the girl, just like you knew he would because it was my autobiographical movie. Very tasteful, hardly any naughty bits to be seen (that will all be in the Director’s Cut Special Edition with added, gratuitous, unclothed scenes and extra violence meted out to all those who fail to meet my requirements), a treat for all the family and a veritable feast for the eyes.
It was a commercial flop, of course, but we are waiting on the sales from the Director’s Cut. In the meantime, I can sell you a copy – £3,000,500.97p (need to make some money somehow).
snafuBetter be free, I am a ligger and a cheapskate…
snafuI don’t read anything about Beermat and I certainly don’t go out of my way to read things about Putin either, unless I need to.
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