Only free societies that have wealthy economies and have air planes 😀

True. It is even more evident among a free country’s business class than just pilots.

That is why free societies (with one glaring exception which proves the rule) are in general very rich and not only produce good pilots but also lots of first rate equipment for their pilots from their wealth.

On the other hand, a country that is very poor is probably not a truely free society no matter what it attempts to call itself. Poverty is a symptom of oppression and inequality. No man chooses to be poor and unless extremely untalented would not be poor if he had true freedom.

If a so-called “free” nation is among the poorest states in the world then it is not a free nation. The majority of such a nation is oppressed by other means than the right to vote. Lack of education, lack of upward mobility and lack of nutrition are signs of lack of freedom. Poverty is the greatest sign that there is no real freedom.

Therefore, a truly free society should NEVER be poorer than a commie or unfree neighbor. Freedom will allow talented people to create wealth and well-being for the society as a whole which in turns produce good aircraft and good pilots.

Truly free nations would never buy commie MiGs and Sukhois. They buy from the West or produce their own. They would never have allied themselves with the country Reagan called the “Evil Empire.” You will never see real free state like Australia, Japan or Canada fly MiGs.

That said, communist nations could produce good pilots in the same way they produce astronauts, ballerinas and athletes. Training in elite groups and from an early age.

Nationality does not determne how good is a pilot same is what kind of social and economic system a person has been raised.

good pilots are from nations who have good equipment and more hours flying in operational service either at war and combat or in peaceful training.

In WWII the Best pilots were German followed by the Japanese from far behind.
Germany had the longest combat service and the best equipment in WWII so it is not rare to see they have the best pilots and the best scores were achieved by german pilot aces.
In 2006 the best pilots must be American and Israeli but only because of their equipment and combat experience, not because of nationality

Equipment quality is determine by the state of the science and technology a nation has, equipment is really what determines a pilot skills in combat.

An average pilot will be better in an F-15 than in an F-4E, same will be an F-22 with respect a F-8.

Strategy is determined by the equipment numbers and types.

Argentina and Iraq had good pilots but in general they lost their respective wars due to the less advanced equipment and lesser numbers in high tech weaponry.

Hahaha, Dear Flogger, this is the only right point you stated in this thread!!!Yes, you are right. In 1950s, almost all Chinese top scientists for aerosapce and nuclues and so on were trained by USA. Do you know Tsien Hsue-shen, the father of Chinese aerospace industry, was graduated from MIT and CalTech. Since the foundation of PRC in 1949, lots of overseas Chinese scientists gave up their rich living in USA or Euro and returned to their poor motherland to construct the new China!!! Dr. Tsien is one of them, He went back to China in 1955.

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Tsien was born in Hangzhou, China in 1911. A brilliant student, he went to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology on a Boxer Rebellion Scholarship in 1935. Becoming a protege of the legendary Theodor von Karman, Tsien was the leading theoretician in rocket and high-speed flight theory in the United States. He was instrumental in the founding of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California, and collaborated closely with the newly-founded Aerojet Corporation in the development of the first JATO and sounding rockets built in the United States.

Identified to the US Defence Department as a key person in the future development of military technology for the United States, Qian was a member of Project Lusty – a team of top scientists that entered Germany just behind the American lines, locating and returning to the United States key documents and personnel of the advanced German aircraft and rocketry programs. The team left for Europe before the war even ended. By May 5 Tsien found himself interviewing Wernher von Braun and other members of the V-2 Rocket Team in Kochl. Von Braun prepared for Tsien a seminal report, survey of Development of Liquid Rockets in Germany and Their Future Prospects? which provided the road map for future space vehicle development in the United States. Rudolph Hermann revealed that Tsien’s theories of supersonic flow had been confirmed in German wind tunnels during the war. Such facilities had not been available in the United States.
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See more:
http://www.astronautix.com/astros/tsien.htm

So can you explain me the relation he had in the MiG-21/J-7?

The Soviet Union trained thousends of Chinese in Aerospace you can not compare the amount of Russian equipement, advisors and Chinese trained in Russai to the 1950s american trained Chinese.

Here, Flogger/Strevitel, my banned friend from CDF:

There are 30 bort numbers identified on Huitong’s website.

http://mil.jschina.com.cn/huitong/gallery.htm

See not 100 but a more reduced number and we can not see the pictures of some of those 30.

The differeces with the LCA is quit small

30 J-10s built, 5 LCA built so why you bragg so much?

by the way Huitong`s website is not the offical PLAAF spokeman or is he?

Sorry friend. Only jealous people are worried about whether someone else is proud.

What have I claimed? All I claimed is that India has nothing to export while China has exported hundreds planes and with the new L-15 flying (not to mention the JL-9 and upgraded K-8, in the just the trainers alone) there is an even larger sales list.

When one Chinese firm, AVIC, sold 150 aircraft in 2004/2005 and the whole Indian industry had sold nothing in the same period. There is no comparison. How can you compare 150 to zero?

What is there to complain about from your end?

The other aviation related item was the J-10 and the LCA. There are 4 LCA prototypes.

But there are many pictures of J-10s in regimental colors. There are also pictures of the two-seater J-10. The J-10 single and two-seaters were not developed in tandem, unlike the Typhoon.

So if the two-seater is flying then the single-seat have already progressed to the point of production in order for the two-seater to be feasible.

You wouldn’t build a two-seater when your single-seater was still in testing. You would never know if the problem came from the initial design or from the changes made to add the second seat.

Also, there are hundreds of engines, the AL-31FN, which can ONLY be used by the J-10 either delivered or on order.

So how can you even compare than with 4 prototypes and its vaporware two-seater?

No one is claiming anything except straight numbers.

Okay Golden Dragon have you the total number and i mean exact of J-10s?

A picture where you can see 20 or 30 J-10s?

I do not see why the Indians or me are envious? India can build the Kaveri and LCA and will put it into production that is a fact, they build the Druv, also they have nice music and cute stars from Boliwood tasty food and a great man named Gandhi hehehehehe

what has China sold copies of MiG-21s and MiG-19s some Tu-16s and some Il-28, a jet that is half Pakistani and has no Chinese engine.

They needed engineers from Russia and Israel to design their J-10, they need a british engine to power the JH-7, they needed some MiG-23s to fit the J-8II with side variable inlets and a ventral fin they sent it to the US and Russia for upgrades and fitted some Israeli tech on the J-8II.

The engines they have design are in the same level as the Kaveri, it is tue perhaps some have beeen built but the difference with Kaveri is less than 3-6 years at the most

They needed a Il-76 to make an AWACS, they needed Israeli missiles and radars and french tech to arm their fighters.

They build French helicopters and helicopter engines where is the famed advantage?

They have been so limited by engine technology they can not build a Bomber in the class of the Tu-22 even.

Their ARJ-21 needs foreign engine and avionics.

China is not as you think self sufficient, it is very dependant on foreign goodies.

Where was the J-6 made? In China or Russia?

And who invented the paper that the great Artem Mikoyan wrote his design on?

And what was the engine that powered the MiG-15 and formed the based for the engines that powered the rest of MiGs? Was that designed in UK or Russia?

:rolleyes:

More bad examples hehehehehehes

The MiG-19 mas made from the mind of Artem Mikoyan no Chinese helped him.

You example is so foolish like claiming because Vietnam makes VW cars the VW Golf is a Vietnamese car

You also know India is doing that?
So, why you keep repeatingly say China violate IP while you never criticized India? May be there are more violations by India, but no one pay attention to it, that’s all.

There reason i am doing it is because the real level of design capability of China is quit similar to India, making license built aircraft does not mean you can design aircraft.

to me a real chinese aircraft is the JH-7 i do not see any Russian help there and only the engine is english.

The J-8II is also Chinese up to a certain level but i see the MiG-23Ms and MiG-21SMT influence still.

those two jets are Chinese but are not entirely Chinese but mostly chinese.