I doubt anyone would dispute that the UK is one of the aviation majors, countries that can build aircraft from end to end. If trans-national shipments were suddenly stopped today, there are really just five countries that can complete an aircraft. And those five are the same five on the UN Security Council. Also the same five with nuclear submarines.

All the second tier aviation industries need some critical piece (usually the engine) from somewhere else.

Of course, if push comes to shove, countries like Germany and Japan can build all home-made parts but their infrastructure is not set up for it. But the P5 countries like the US, Russia, France, China and UK had built literally tens of thousands of aircraft frames and aero-engines. There are no other state that can do this.

Golden Dragon you really do not know niether Japan`s or Germany`s true ranking.

Japan, Italy or Germany like England or Canada have totally the capability to build entirely any aircraft, but in modern times Market is what has forced many nations to go for international partnerships.

Any Chinese aircraft has non Chinese technologies and the J-10 is as Chinese as the F-2 is Japanese.

The international market and the increasing prices has forced to go international in order to achieve economic goals rather than achieve technological goals.

Good for them. But China had already exported the Z-9. I never heard of an Indian helicopter being exported. In fact, even Nepal had looked at the Z-9.

At any rate, I can’t see the same range of projects on their end but if they are then good for them.

No doubt that if Dassault decides to provide Embraer with military technology, it could. Like I said, Embraer is a First World organization. But Brazil supports Embraer completely now. The problem is with the Europeans and whether they are willing to give up the required technology.

China`s military industry is very similar to Embraer`s because are a mosaic of different suppliers from different countries under the leadership of Chinese or Brazilian bureaux of design

Any way China has limitations.

It can not sell the Eurocopter Helicopters build in China, Su-27s, JH-7s, JF-17s or even J-10s without in one way or other depending in England, Russia or Europe.
Z-9= Eurocopter AS-365 Dauphin not Chinese Helicopter, your statement is like because Brazil exports Volkwagen cars, the Beetle is a Brazilian car :rolleyes:

If it has sold MiG-21s and MiG-19 is simply because they do not respect the previous cold war agreements.

China for example has not being succesful selling the J-8II, niether the Jh-7.
The J-11/Su-27 is another example of an aircraft that will upset Russia if it is sold without any permit by Sukhoi.

What China has being relatively sucessful is in partnerships such as the K-8 or the JF-17 which like the ERJ-145 are partnerships.

Embraer also has worked hard to build more parts of it`s aircraft in Brazil.

I actually wrote in another thread that Brazil has the most advance aircraft facilities in the third world because of Embraer and it’s working relation with Europe. It’s a First World company that happens to have plants in the Third World, and Brazil is among the richer third world countries to begin with.

But Embraer doesn’t challenge what I said. The world’s military market is dominated by the US, Europe and Russia and China is one of the few alternatives. Embraer is, for all intent and purposes, an extension of the Western aviation industry and its technology (mainly France and Europe.)

If you will say in profits Brazil is a great supplier of military aircraft, it is overlooked mainly because the only jet aircraft it can sell which are the AMX and ERJ-145 AWACS/R-99 have western conponents that make Brazil aircraft prone to export limitations.
Brazil is as western as China has exported Russian aircraft.

China can not sell some of it`s aircraft due to the licenses it has, Brazil the same.

The MiG-21 and MiG-19 are russian aircraft, the Fantan is a derivative, the K-8 has Western engine.
Future aircraft also have some russian components too.

Aircraft like the JH-7 and J-8II wich are more chinese than the J-7 well have not been successful chinese exports.

What it is interesting to see is that China sells fighter aircraft while Brazil sells AEW, utility aircraft, trainers and patrol aircraft.

In 10 yeras from now China and India might be competing in the fighter market and competing with Brazil in the utility market.

India has a Helicopter industry that China or Brazil lack.
Brazil has several jet platforms for AEW and air refuelling jet aircraft besides cargo jet aircrat that India and China lack.
China however in the fighter and fighter bomber field has some technological lead over Brazil and India.

MiG-25

I wonder how many of those early block FULCRUMs are still in service around the former USSR?

I guees that number sould be considerably high since there were 1200 MiG-29 built at the moment of the Soviet Union Collapse, around 300 were exported and Russia and Ukraine got at least 600-700 MiG-29s.
There must be aropund 300-200 MiG-29 in the CIS

Here are some examples from Moldavia and Turkmenistan

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