Other than opening yourself (and the forum) up to legal challenge and potentially being sued.

I said i will respect the forum and i will just give the link so people can click on it and it to pop up, but i would not past the picture each in everytime and acknowledge the author, vanity bores me and tires me vanity at the end, if there is a legal problem by pasting the picture well i will stop it, it is not a hard thing, i will give just the link but you can not force me to do the other way of pasting and naming i feel confortable by just giving the link to people to click on it rather than pasting it and naming the author or share pictures i have taken ,my own pictures with no copyright attached i do not need anyone to say Flogger`s picture, copyright sometimes sounds like idolatry.

I’m sorry you feel that way, Flogger, but that’s the way it is.

If you’re posting pictures taken by someone else, you have to either give them due credit or just post a link to the picture rather than the picture itself.

Apart from anything else, it’s simple good manners.

Please do one or the other in future.

Grey Area
Moderator

i will post the link, i do not think i am doing anything wrong but since the world is based on certain rules i will keep them in order to keep cordiality, nevertheless i do not think i had no manners, the issue is not of manners but of money; if someone is making money with their pictures something i am not doing i am just watching them and sharing my aesthetic view of a really beautiful plane to my eyes one of my favorites without doubt.

I feel it is more an issue of vanity rather than manners, i am not unpolite but some people have egos who need to be pamper, too much vanity to acknowledge each in every picture i post hehehehehe come on that is absurd.
when the only thing i am doing is linking an automatic picture hehehehe that is ridiculous, an elithist view, if i were making money or profit i would understand is like making illigal CDs but posting the pictures like i am doing is just playing music for my friends at a Party because i am not profiting from them.

Do not worry i will link the pictures but that is so absurd like playing music on a cassete at a party and dance and call each and every singer and ring her or him to ask them if i can play the music.

The picture has it`s original URL in fact it is the base, without it we could not watch it but some people get upset with that technology because their egos get hurt.

Quite apart from the copyright issue (which is a very real one) the problem is that you’re not giving the people who actually took the pictures the credit they deserve, Flogger.

Unless, of course, you took them – in which case, my apologies. 🙂

Grey Area
Moderator

So do you suggest me i should link the pictures so the people just click on the link and the pictures pop up? in that case would it be a violation of the copyright?
I think pasting pictures is exactly the same but you do not need to click in the link, it is the same thing because you will use the original URL, same web Address in both cases but people would not need to click to see it i was trying to save you people the need to find out and click what link it is and what picture it is.

I did not take the pictures but beyond looking and them and trying to share my delight by the airplane with others i am not using them in any other way.
if you think a click will respect the copyright i will do it.

Acknowledege the pictures author in each and every picture is quit tiring i prefer simply link them, specially becuase almost all threads fade away so fast and are forgotten so easily than even after a week nobody cares for them in the vast majority of cases.

But by the sake of each and every author what more acknowledgement they can have if they are making happy and full of joy people who are simply looking at their pictures and nothing beyond that? i am simply sharing my delight by the airplane in a beautiful picture and nothing else

In fact i see no difference in this look beyond the fact in one you will need to click while in the other the image URL is displayed automatically without clicking on it but both are the same URL and web address

Il-86 Vaso

New engines, avionics and wing. Look at it as an IL86ng.

Rgds

Andy

A beautiful aricraft indeed, the Il-96 is quit beautiful aircraft despites it looks ltle bit underpowered.

[QUOTE=Hammer][QUOTE=Flogger]I do not think Japan is very different to Brazil, Brazil does not build 100% indigineous brazilian aircraft, Embraer leads the programs but is not able to build 100% Brazilian aircraft in fact Brazil and Japan are in the same level but Japan has something that Brazil lacks jet engines.[/QUOTE=Flogger]

I beg do differ (I always wante to write this phrase… 😉 ) my friend.

The aerospace business has two sides to it, one technical the other business/marketing… Once you create the product you have to be able to determine the optimum size, pax carried, MTOW, fuselage width, engine to be used, etc. A plane may turn out to be a major failure if one or more of these key items is ill selected. A company may develop a technicaly flawless airplane and still fail to turn it into a commercial success. The only embraer aircraft absolutely tailored to exclusive Brazilian needs was the original Bandeirante. Every other aircraft has been developed with the world market in sight. The Brasilia, the ERJs and the new E170 family. although you are correct in pointing out that many of todays aircraft programs are multinational there’s three cases that are very different to me.

a) Japanese involvement in the 787: a specific component or stucture is handed to a 3rd party for assembly and detail development. The 3rd party acts in a limited creativity function where it’s ability to obtain financing (at low rates) at the same time reducing the finacial exposure of the aircraft designer. If the aircraft is a failure in the market the burden is spread amongst the risk partners. Many times the sellection of the 3rd party draws government support to the aircraft wich presses local airlines to chose this aircraft, boosting early sales.

b) A Eurofighter tipe of agreement: where four different companies get together to develop a single aircraft capable of fulfilling their clients requirement. Every one of teh companies is a co-creator and a BUILDER at the same time. Risk is shared, government support is obtained ad creative tasks are shared.

c) Embraer 170 is the flip side of “a” one company understand the market requirements, talks in depth to clients, proposes optional configurations, selects the major risk sharing partners drafts the detailed project, establishes and calculates costs and weights and hands out sub-assemblies to be further deveoped by the 3rd party companies. This company has alone the reigns to direct any and every new direction the program will take in the future, what derivatives will be produced next. This is the company that could build the complete project if only it had any interest to do so… this is where you plant the seeds to be able to create new products in the future, definetly not in the sub assembly business…

Please I dont mean to start a Brazil x Japan thread here. It is just that being in Brazil I know our examples better than other cases. 🙂

I must admit that we do lack a engine producing company in Brazil and tha it may be neede in the future, I hope the figure a way around this severe national technical shortcoming. 🙂 [/QUOTE=Flogger]

The T-4 simply is a 100% indigenously designed and build japanese product contrary to the AMX.
The Embraer 170, series has japanese builts parts, in fact is a composite of several manufactures that is assambled in Brazil but is not a 100% indigenously built and designed Brazilian product.

What Brazil is ahead of Japan is the fact that Embraer leads the program specifications despite many suppliers are American, Spanish, Chilean, British Japanese, and now even Chinese.

The P-X and C-X as many japanese products have being built to assure the Japanese know how and commercial profitability in future times.

The Japanese 35% participation is quit high for the Boeing 787 and 21% for the Boeing 777 is comparable to the brazilan participation in the Embraer array of products.

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Except that we hold the intectual property on the products and Japanese companies dont

Hammer Brasil e uma beleza.

Hammer i am not saying the Embraer is not a great company but we need to see the reality, Brazil does not hold patents in the jet engines used by Embraer jets such as the Alisson, or in the US made Honeywell, Hamilton Sundstrand and GEAE built aircraft parts even in Sonaca`s aircraft parts used in the Embraer jets that is a reality.
Niether in the Kawasaki japanese made aircraft parts or Liebherr German aircraft parts or France`s Latecoere and Spanish built Gamesa aircraft parts all are foreign designed.

Embraer is the one that coordinates and build the aircraft in Brazil of aircraft parts than in other way would be just aircraft parts and not an Embraer 170.

The Chinese ARJ-21 is the same but the Japanese have the advantages that the whole aircraft can be build with mostly japanese parts but that implies less chances in the commercial market because contrary to Embraer that buying a ERJ-145 means buying American a foreign jet is less able to get orders same is the Boeing 777 or Boeing 787 for Japan it means buying Japanese and Boeing can assure at least a Market where Airbus can not compete.

Embraer has achieved success because all their products are composites of several producers, Dassault supports Embraer and in many cases the low costs of the brazilian assemby cheapens an aircraf that if it would had been assembled in Canada or Japan would had meant a more expensive jet.

Brazil is learning and as the Chinese getting technology transfers and designing more and more but Brazil still is uncapable of mastering the complete designing and building of a whole aircraft.

Airbus makes planes with the most expensive and unionised workers who do french work weeks. is anyone saying they’re not competitive?

i don’t think we’ll see a sino-japanese aerospace industry anytime soon:

firstly, labour costs are not a significant factor in aviation, unlike in toys, textiles or even automobiles. when you buy a plane you want the highest quality and reliability and are willing to pay for that. japanese manufacturing can give you that. not the chinese.

secondly, it is the japanese who have the technogical edge. a sino-jap alliance will not involve tech-sharing – it’ll be tech TRANSFER, from the japs to chinese. however i believe the south koreans will have much to contribute here.

third, politics.

jap-to-china outsourcing, maybe. but an aerospace firm called, what, mitsubishi-harbin? nope.

Well about the Japanese-Sino alliance well it might talke some years
but very surely it will happen, in the Civil aspect. for example it is said that Japan might outsource to China part of it`s share of the Boeing 787.
Despite China`s wrong claims that it is the fifth nation capable of building and designing jet engines domestically alongside England, Russia, France and the US with the Kunlun and WS-10, a fact that is wrong since Japan was the first Asian nation to built an aircraft engines and it is capable of designing them by it self, nevertheless China has a similar level in aircraft technology to Japan and more important has lower manufacturing and development prices something that the aging Japan will need to compete.

However the Japanese have being more practical and have develop commercial aircraft in coopeation with big western firms such as Airbus, Embraer and Boeing.

Here is one of the greatest Japanese achievements the Honda HF-118 jet engine designed and built in Japan that now is being marketed and built by an alliance of GE and Honda and the Honda Jet