Here’s another interesting one !!! 😉

Deino i like Aeromodelism a lot, in fact i am an aeromodelist but i think the models lack good quality, their details are so poor that simply looks like a bad quality toy, i would like to see more realistics J-10s, i have seen very good quality Tornados at 1/48 but the J-10 seems to be to coarse and simple i think the quality in future models will improve.

The drawings are good but the plastic models still have some way to go until they can look like a realistic miniature model

Well no Australia started out as a place where Britain dumped all of it’s prisoners and people that was deemed unsuitable in British society. So the auzzies weren’t feeling any love from there! In recent years thing have changed and but the situation have also changed. Few years ago the auzzies almost forgo the Queen in a public voting. Australia being closer in proximity to asia is better off intergarting their economy to the asians rather than the eurocrats or the States. It’s all about geopolitics.

So the aboriginals arn’t australians and only caucasean are australians ??? I don’t know where you want to take this but it seem you are treading ot a very fine thread here!

No Japanese written language is exactly Chinese minus the spelling… there is no changes or language Family disappearing as you stated. Japanese still learn chinese and write chinese and the more Kanji the know the better educated they are. Do they respect the Chinese? Not if they kiss my hairy @ss.

Is there a struggle between New Zealand or South Africa or even Canada???
You are baffled by you own judgement so please don’t apply it to others. You have absolutely no idea on this matter.

The point being China will be strong and a new challenger to world power balance. but the issue does not concern whether China is going to strike Australia but whether Australia have done enough American ass kissing, or if the politicians have made enough $$$ in under the table rebate.

And china can get the natural resources through legitimate trade like it always has!
Most of all import fram australia to china consists of natural resources. I don’t see the immediate need to strike Australia. China is seeking to buy Canada’s largest mineral mining corporation, Noranda, Inc., Chinese companies are buying into Indonesian oil fields, Australian iron mines.

Ex. China need more fuel admist its rapid developement and the most urgent source of fuel is oil. But china does not attack malasia or indonesia and capture oil… why? Is it because China can buy it off the international market or is it bacause Chinese leaders are idiots and does not realize there is oil in these neibouring asian countries.

Yup… name one that can fly to Australia and back with a full war load and not need inflight refuel. Form china to Australia is ~4300km one way!

Hallo all European colonianl powers like France, Spain, England, Portugal, have a long History of slavery, explotation, segregation and aculturization.

England, Spain and Portugal particularly thrived with slavery, millions of Africans and Indians died in the Americas due to slavery.

All native people that were colonized by Europeans suffer some kind of segregation, explotation and aculturization.

Indians and Aboriginies suffered segregation very acutely, in fact both were aculturized in Australia in the 1940s with programs such as those where even the Aborigines Children where taken from their parents whom were deemed uncapable to raise them because the aborigial culture was considered by the white society in Australia with disregard.
In the Americans entire cultures disappeared, were aculturized, exploited and enslaved.

The words Australia and America are not Indian niether Aboriginie but European since all native people call themselves in a different way.
Austral=south and is an European word, America is derived from Americo an Italian navigator and geographer who realised America was not Asia.

Africa is also an European word A=no frica=cold such as similar word in Italian, french and spanish

Asia comes from Greek mythology and not from Japanese or Vietnamese.

Seems like you are unaware of what language family Japanese is related here is a link so you can understand my idea and quote me better

Japanese Language as you read remmeber that Japanese is debated in what respects it`s origin.

Japanese culture is an offspring of the Chinese because Japan imported many cultural traits from China and Korea among them is architecture, religion, writing.

China as many nations obtain things by commerce but when things get sour well great powers use military force the case is simple Taiwan, threatening Taiwan with force simply because it wants it`s independence is not even a referendum or a democratic way where votes are casted.

All great powers use force, the US, Russia, England when a smaller nation is against their interests, named examples Iraq, Chechnia, Cuba`s revolution, Hungary 1956, Tibet, and so on the list is long.

No one can assure China won`t use it`s miliatry power as it`s military power grows.
Of couse currently China is getting it`s resources by means of commercial means but as the Iraq war reflects oil is becoming particularly important in the modern geopolitics, Now even China wants to mediate in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Australia needs to be ready as any eventuality threatens it`s national security, and buying F-35 or any other fighter aircraft is a way of deterring any possible invader.

The J-10 is far better fighter than the F-18A flown by the RAAF and the Su-27 have excellent range specially if refuelled like the Su-30MKK

Simply being in a common wealth doesn’t automatically put Auzzies in suport of England or else there would never have been the Decloration of Independance and the seven years wars for the United States who were also a direct desendant of the english.

Your examples are also wrong since japanese Kanji is chinese. kanji means Han letter. Japanese borrowed/stole it form the chinese during the Tang dynasty. Just because Japan and China have the same written language does it mean Japan isn’t hostile towards china???

Australia is caught in a dead lock in deciding if it wants to forgo american military ties for trade with Asian nations. Especially China being Australia’s third-largest trading partner and our second-largest merchandise import and export market.
http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/china/cb_index.html

Why are you so interested in military sales… Does it help australia in any way if it purchase the F22? Will the plane miraculously save the slow australian economy? Do you expect the australian people to eat dirt when they are knee high in debt because of the purchase? Cause you surely know that a Chinese invasion is pure nonsence unless you are more of a fool than Dr. Carlo Kopp

There is just about no gain in military spending unless if you are the US and when you sell these grosely over priced maintance heavy equipement you would make a profit while your at it…

Please Flogger stop defending the idiot Dr. Carlo Kopp… the more you do it the more your starting to sound like star49…

I did say that Australia is a western Nation that was transplanted to Oceania, Australia Is a European nation and an European Idea, it is not Asian niether an Asian Idea, the Aborigines, as the first native americans did not create Australia as the Apaches did not create the US which also were British Colonies made out of British settlers who got their independence from England, same as Australia; Argentina was formed of mostly Spanish and Italian immigrants but Venezuela like Brazil was formed of Indians, Blacks and European immigrants; we need to see the Japanese islands were settled from continental North east Asian immigration basically Japan is an offspring of China as culture and nation that has very adaptable to integrate very superficial western cultural elements despite the Japanese language Family has disappeared from continental China genetics link Korean, Chinese and Japanese.

You are failing to see that even in a civilization can be diferent political entities struggling to become or be the core for example the US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa form part of the English civilization, However the core of the civilization shifted from LONDON to WASHINGTON, liket Today is shifting form TOKYO to BEIJING

The point of the whole arguments is that China in few years will have a quantitative and qualitative advantage in military equipment and better power projection, already it has by no doubts a better Air Force than Australia, the PLAAF is better equipped and has more fourth generation fighters than Australia`s RAAF.

China is increasing it`s need for natural resources and markets and all empires have imperialistic needs of natural resources and Markets; all Empires can keep those peripheric nations turning around them as satellites thanks to a better economy and a better military.

China has been throughtout History an Empire and China`s J-10s, J-11/Su-27
J-8II, FBC-1 and FC-1 will allow it to restablish the ancient Chinese sphere of Influence and the place in History it lost the last centuries to western powers and Japan as the core empire in the far East.

Australia due to it`s links to Europe will want to stay out of the reemerging Chinese empire and for that needs better weapons.

I think you can easily overestimate the cultural similarities between Europe and countries like Australia, Canada and the US. Differences in history, geography, and the fundamental legacy of having populations descended from immigrants who left the old world to search for something better, and refugees escaping the European or Asian reality, who built nations from nothing, means that the average Australian views the world very differently to the average European. Even the UK is a pretty foreign and unfamiliar country to most Australians.

That is not an exageration, Australia, Canada, Argentina, Uruguay and now in less degree the US are basicly European nations transplanted to thier respective geografical realities, in all these nation perhaps in less degree the US the aboriginal or native culture was eliminated or at least segregated and separated from the main stream European culture; contrary to South Africa, Brazil, Cuba, Venezuela, and the rest of Latin America which are truely multicultural as multi ethinic where the European culture integrated with African or Indian elements.
Australia, Canada Argentina, Uruguay, New Zealand and now in less degree the US that is truely becoming multicultural have some considerable non European minorities but the culture is basicly European.
Australia has a US-England alignment simply becuase of cultural ties, Austarlia is part of the Commonwealth and is a British based nation is logic that Australia will ally it self with England and not with Russia, China, Germany, Syria. Iraq or India as the core of it`s foreign policy as history proves.

Therefore having F-22s, Eurofighters, Eurocopter Tiger, support the Iraq war, have preferences for British immigrants are natural as when Spain and Portugal in the past only accepted catholic immigrants for their latin American colonies.

I doubt China will bully Australia militarily. I think it will be more like the following (simplified of course):

*The setting: Aussie-Chinese trade negotiations in 2050 held in Dhaka, the now underwater capital of Bangladesh (courtesy of global warming)*

Chinese Premier: “Mr Aussie PM, we want access to Timor Gap oil.”

Aussie PM: “And what if we don’t wanna, Mr Chinese Premier?”

Chinese Premier: “We’ll take take away Australian companies access to the booming Chinese economy.”

Aussie PM: “See if we care. We have 6 F/A-22’s so what are you gonna do now Mr Chinese Premier?”

Chinese Premier stares at Aussie PM with a sense of disbelief and leaves.

6 months down the track, newspaper articles around the world show the Aussie PM munching on an F/A-22 tyre, dressed in nothing but rags. Apparently without Chinese trade, the Aussie economy entered into a recession. Further compounding the matter was the fact that the Australian government borrowed $7.5 trillion to buy 6 F/A-22’s.

Is unlikely that outcome for several reason from my point of view, China`s economy will slow down as any more developed economy it won`t reach a developed PPP dollars per capita GDP as high as the US or EU niether a power of bargain to leave Australia poor under the current oil based technology that destroys the world`s ecology, the only way it can reach that level is with enviromental friendly technologies and a better population planning than the current one.

China has too big problems one of it`s enviromental depleation, other is China`s swelling population growth.

We need to consider that to any action there is always a reaction, and that means that the developed nations wiill try to control China`s economy, other developing nations are growing and international trade is diversifying.

Military power is used to prevent attacks when negociations have failed, so a well armed Australia means China will think twice before bulling the Australians whom can simply diversify their commerce and buy from other sources under more convinient terms and with more reliable allies and trading partners

For China to take over of Australlia needs that the Australian population be willing to be a Chinese protectorate and that the EU and the US give up on Australia under economic pressure.

That could happen if the amount of Asian population in Australia swells to larger percentage than what today stands promting the willingness to increase links with China and forget it`s western oriented foreign and migratory policies.

An Australian Economy uncapable of founding military programs and purchasing weapons.

Where are you getting the stats??? International Monetary Fund web site is at http://www.imf.org… I don’t know what you are even trying to say! China has a trade surplus of 16 Bn in the fist quarter of Fiscal year 2005.
The total of US + EU GDP is only 26.364 bn??? You’re crazy!

World Bank compilation rate Chinese GDP at $1,417,000,000,000 USD
http://devdata.worldbank.org/data-query/
that is 1417 billion dollars if you can count correctly.
US are rated at $10,948,546,920,448.
SO in a sense China isn’t on a comparative level with the United States yet but the GDP scale by USD isn’t a very accurate measurement in itself as it does not take into consideration the exchange rate and the purchasing power of the currency. GDP is only a relative comparative value good for comparing countries with similar economies but rather poor at comparing a developing nation to a developed nation.

The west have already lost its edge in low tech manufacturing sector due to cheap labour in china. There is no turning back the situation as underdeveloped country can and should take advantage of the cheap labour market. Both EU and US should shift their economy toward high tech developement instead of the labour intensive products. The only problem with EU and US lies with that taking those industries out of the economy takes time without having to resort to massive unemployment. That is what’s really going on with the textile trade dispute between china and both the EU and US. But by the actions of imposing a quota they basically went against all the reasoning behind free trade and WTO… Some people here blabber on about economics yet without the slightest understand of the subject.

By size the Chinese economy is the third largest in the world if we consider the EU as a nation, and the second largest national economy in GDP in the world the EU will be the largest and the US the second with a combine GDP of close to USD $26 trilion dollars while China and India wont`t pass the USD$10 trillion dollars , if we considered per capita well that is another issue China will be a poor nation as poor as Guatemala in GDP per capita terms far but far from the per capita GDP of the US, EU and Japan.
However the Chinese economy grows at a atonishing rate of 9% a year and that will continue for at least a decade and that will make her surpass the EU in GDP in a very optimistic forecast or at least catch up with the EU`s GDP in a moderate forecast in less than two decades if the EU does not start growing at higher rates
China`s economic growth allows it to buy J-11,Su-27 and J-10 in large numbers and finance several weapons programs but part of it is based in foreign investment that at the end of the way is American or Japanese founded most of the cases throughout the mediation of Taiwan and Hong Kong

If we consider China as standard of living it has low levels of human development but better than India or Pakistan but Nations like South Korea in Asia or Cuba in the Americas are far ahead of the Asian Giant.

If the Japanese estimates are correct and China has 1400 nukes China has the third largest nuke stock pile in the world only behind Russia or the US and if the American estimates are correct well it has a nuclear military arsenal as France, but smaller than the EU`s nuclear arsenal since England and France will give to the EU a more devastating nuclear punch