Hi to all,
Mixtech has given some questionable opinions about these planes: TheAMX, The Su-25-39, and the SU-7. Arthur has already said the most about, let me remark a bit:
The Amx is , likeArthur said, a light plane attack pretending to be a fighter. This is true: In Alenia pamplets and publicity it is always regarded like a light fighter bomber, almost it is an F-16. Originally, the AMX born with Swedish collaboration but after the two countries went on different ways, luckly for the swedish. The Amx , with a spey derated and a lot of fuel, has an excellent range, even better to a F-16 with the most of combinations of fuel and weapons. But it isn’t supersonic, it isn’t all-weather-except some basics in the brasilan version but only air-to ground, and it’s hasn usually guided weapons or atleast not a wide range: originally: none.
The costs of the development of AMX, and the delays were high. If the AMX was built in the beginnings of ’80s it could been still effective. But to put such plane without any night capability at the end of cold war, and meanwhile there were stuffs like the F-16 block 42 LANTIRN, well there was a difference.
The AMX program was costly, expecially for italians and brasilians budgets, it was too late developed and teh reliability of this plane is questionability.
It’s only engine is not reliable or was so for many years, and teh life of the engine and fram was very low. At one point, the AMX showed a life frame of 1000Hrs, even less than a Mig 21, while as the contract the request was of 4000. The plane wasn’t equipped with modern weapons and sensors until the last years, it has-italy-still the Elta 2001 radar telemetric. this plane was meaned like the sostitute of G 91 but still the most pat of the operational requests were manteined: this mean no night capbiltiy, so if this is true that the AMX is a better sobstitute for the G 91 the requests are simply outdated.
The discussion about AMX-vs Sukhoy is a non sense: the Sukhoy is far easier and cheaper to mainten and buy, it is widespread and able to hit every kind of targets. It has almost the same speed of AMX and almost the same survaibility cap. of the A-10, but it remains a relatively fast jet and smaller than the A-10, so it could survive better to fighters than the A-10. It has outdated engines , but the AMx is almost old and it has only a engine. It hasn’t armour as well, so it could be something a sosbitute of Skyhawk but lacks the naval adaptions. Seeing it’s costs and it’s time this isn’t a really cost -effective plane. The market hasn’t ever liked it. Even in Italy the conclusiona are to leave this plane without mid life improvements and search for the JSF program. So i cannot see how this plane could be considered “a success”. The fact that teh AMX is much modern than the Su-25, and has better range is true, but isn’t enough to talk as “the better”. In this regard, the USAF should withdrawn all the A-10 fleet to replace them by F-16 since the last 20 years if we look nly on some capabilities. As a stiker, better the AMX, or the Jagura, but a short range strike and battle support-anti guerrilla warfare the Su-25 is far better. It’s the only aircraft that hasn’t sacrificed too much to the armour while it has a lot of it. The Il-2 or similar could have been shot by Flak SPGs, but this could be true also for A-10, AMX and Harriers. If a plane is more nimble but more vulnerable this not necessarly gives to it better capabilities of fire support.
The Sukhoy 7 was debated as effectivity. For several aspects it was a fiure or a delusion and was soon fullowed by Su-17. However, in spite of this, it had also some very good capabilities: a range better than a Mig 17-21, excellent stabiltiy, powerful guns, and an outstanding strongness of the structure, it’s only flaw is the tendence to break in two while landing without gear, because it’s lenght. Everyone that has reserched this is agrre with that.
F-18 Hamburger is a jocker fellow, i don’t thin he is a racist.
The H-7 is actually a kind of big F-1. like Arthur said, grownth to teh weight of a tornado. The F-1 was as well almost the copy of the jaguar. Being supersonic and heavier, they don’t seems alike AMX.
I think it’s a sin that the Sukhoy Su 30 has overhelmed it, because it’s an interesting aircraft. even if older
According to Brazilian sources the Brazilian AMX A-1 cost USD $18 million dollars, has an Israeli built radar Elbit M2001B, can use Rafael Python 3 and Brazilain Made Pirahna MAA-1 AAMs, Mectron and Tecnasa from Brazil are building a Phased array radar for the AMX in Brazilian service and two have been already made so the jet is being updated and by 2008 the AMX upgrade is thought it will be accomplished, also the AMX can use the following ASM: Alarm, Exocet, Kormoran and a Brazilian made ASM by Avibras also has a +7/-3Gs Max overload capability
It is faster than the Su-25, the AMX`s Max speed is 1160kms and in 2003 achieved the Max range of 4000 kms the AMX is not inferior to the Su-25, however compared to the JH-7 it is smaller and has smaller warload, but it has a range as good as it with inflight refueling quit a capable little fighter
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