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    I never said that trainers are better in the CAS role than the Su39, infact niether of these jets are really what Id class as CAS in the sense of striking a battlefield well defended with AA. You would need fast jets for those kind of strikes. Jets like the Su-39 and even jet trainers are optimal for pin point targeting in low threat areas, the kind of striking that fast jets cant do. Which is why the Su-25 was so usefull in Afghanistan. The US made use of the A-10 for bombing and strafing armored/mechanized columns in Iraq, and I garantee they would have got torn apart if the Iraqis had proper AA defence.

    The reason the AMX is better is because it has better range and can defend itself if intercepted. Its cheaper to operate than the Su-39, the unit cost doesnt mean much in the long run.

    I agree 100% the AMX also has Israeli avionics and AAM which are as good and many times better than the Russians ones specially the avionics, also the AMX is faster and much lighter and the newest AMX A-1 of Brazil can hit any where in latin America but rather than say better i would say in Latin America no nation has many tanks to justified a Su-25/39 but rather the limited budgets only justified at most a Cheaper jet as the AMX which is far more needed

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    hmmm…the AMX looks nothing like JH-7 except maybe for the air intake.

    Looks like a project from the 60s in the flavour of TSR.2, Mirage G8 and F-108.

    Perhaps the avionics are foreign or derived(French, Russian.etc)

    Looks very expensive to operate though. Good for local industry.

    The AMX it`s more beautiful in modern standards but the FBC-1 and AMX both use Spey engines and both Rolls-Royce engines are built under license in Brazil and China but the FBC-1 is a Tornado Class and the Spey are MK 202 not the samee model used on the AMX, while the AMX is a A-4 Skyhawk class and an international program and it `s Spey are MK 807
    But the J-22 Orao from the former Yuguslavia is really similar to the FBC-1 and also uses Rolls-Royce built Viper under licence by Turbomecanica known locally as TRDF Orao/Turbomecanica and those are Rolls-Royce MK 633-41

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    Another FBC-1

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    It’s 10,000kg thrust per engine, not total of two engines, by the way.

    Also the JH-7 is not powered by any turbojet (Wopen). It’s been powered by turbofans (Spey) and the WS-9 followon is also a turbofan.

    It’s definitely not like a Japanese F-1,as the JH-7 has more range and is a bigger jet. But the payload is mediocre for a plane of its size (5,000-6,000kg). Still that would be more than sufficient to carry four antiship missiles.

    To increase the payload, the JH-7A uses composites to lighten the airframe and a more powerful WS-9 engine. To improve flight performance, the pitch only FBW is replaced by a full digital FBW working on all three axis with terrain avoidance.

    Currently, there are three groups of JH-7s in all. One regiment of ‘original’ JH-7, one regiment of ‘block 2’ JH-7 with the slotted array JL-10A radar and glass cockpit, and one regiment of JH-7A with the improved airframe and avionics.

    Xian AC is trying to find a niche for the JH-7A against the Su-30s, J-11s and J-10s. Suffice to say it’s going to be an uphill battle.

    i think it has longer legs but in overall capability are quit similar despite the JH-7 is Bigger the aircraft are basicly well matched
    On the picture we can see tha English Rolls-Royce Spey built in China as the WS-9

    in reply to: Latin American wings plucking the eagles or powerful condors #2642315
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    Mexican Antonov An-26

    in reply to: Latin American wings plucking the eagles or powerful condors #2642336
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    Pictures of UFOs taken by the Mexican Air Force, 😎 😀 :rolleyes: the mexican air force is chasing green men and drug dealers :rolleyes:

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    I dont get it, it has 2 turbojets that put out 10,000 lbs thrust. For that kind of power you get very bad range and small warload for a jet in that weight/power class. The AMX might cost more to buy, but youll definately get that back in operating costs.

    I feel the JH-7 is a really impressive jet, for example it was made by the Chinese as a truely Domestic product this jet i have never heard it is related to a foreign design such as the J-8/J-8II-MiG-23/Ye-152 or the J-10/Lavi controversies, i feel the Chinese really made the FBC-1 jet all by them selves and only the Engines are British and perhaps only provisionally since China is now capable of building Engines by it self.
    The AMX looks like a baby FBC-1 but it is a great feat for China and as a domestic product more complex than the AMX was for Brazil, the AAMX though i would agree is more cost effective but less impressive the Chinese jet is truely very comparable to the Panavia Tornado.

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    Idiot JH-7 is Chinese and not Russian, there is a difference. Su-39 actuall carries 6000kg on 10 hardpoints while AMX carries some 3800kg on 7 hardpoints I think. Su-39 not only has much better avionics it also has a radar(Kopyo-M) and has R-77, Kh-35 abilities, lets see the AMX match that. Not only that but it is significantly cheaper.

    You should compare the latest Russian Su-24M/? to the Tornado or Jaguar, that is if you want to compare it to Russian.

    The JH-7 seems underpowered with the Spey, but I think they said they will replace it with the WS10A, which is the same engine that is going to power J-10s and J-11s(Chinese Flankers)

    Serbin there is no need to say such abjectives, even if mixtec made a mistake is not the end of the world, i think anybody can make a mistake
    As crobato said the WS-9 are english engines made in China under license and are the same engines that were fitted to the British Phantoms, the AMX also uses a British Engine built under license in Italy and Brazil, and the Japanese T-2 and F-1 also have Brithish engines so all these Tornado look alike have something in commmon British engines

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    What on earth does it have in common with a Tornado MRCA apart from the role it was designed for??

    it only looks alike but i do not know anything about the History of this jet that is quit weird albeit quit interesting though.

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    Reminds me of the TSR2 from certain angles. Does it have a bomb bay ?

    I think the FBC-1 looks like a hybrid of the Panvia Tornado and the Sepecat Jaguar T2 but i do not think it remotely resambles the TR-2 beyond the wings and tandem seat crew stations

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    FBC-1

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    Your thread heading says “FC-1” rather than “FBC-1”

    I know can some one fix it as FBC-1

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    FBC-1

    in reply to: IAI Kfir History #2643337
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    Cheetah, the Kfir clone and Kfirs

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    Flogger- You mentioned earlier that the Mexican Navy is buying L-159s. I just read they are only going to buy 9 L-39s. Now I can understand buying L-139s, but the L-39 came into service in the late 50s and should all be in museums with the T-33s.

    The L-39 is the old variant of the L-159 and they might be second hand Czech L-39s.
    The Mexican air force Mil Mi-8 Helicopters have three main tasks:fire fighting, assistance to the population during natural disasters and help in the fight against the drug traffic
    On the Pictures Mexican Air Force Robinson helicopter, Mi-17 of the Mexican and Colombian air forces, Kfri C2 from Colombia and Mirage 2000, Mirage V and Su-22 from Peru

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