FloggerWhat I am thinking is couldn’t they just place the radar somewhere else? It is a AWACS right? So one could easily put it on the back of the 707..
They are not one but three radars Elta EL/2075 located one in the nose and one in each side of the fuselage since the Condor only has 260 deg of coverage in fact they should be four an additional fourth would give 360 deg of coverage if it would had been installed but the Chilean AIr Force did not for economic reasons.
I think that is the reason the Condor has that bulbous nose.
707 Condor, Mexican E-2 DAYA, IA-63 Pampa and Pantera
FloggerMexican E-2 Hawkeyes, Argentine IA-63 Pampa. Chilean Elkan and Pantera, Brazilan combat aircraft and an Elta EL/2001-B radar that equips the Dassault Mirage V modified by IAI/Enaer to a Pantera/Kfir upgrade.
FloggerENAER-IAI Condor, Elkan, PANTERA and Venezuela Mirage Dassault V
FloggerHello all, I´m new in this forum but couldn´t resist:
US has always been very sensitive about selling state-of-the-art weapons to it´s neighbours, for geopolitical reasons 😉 . Brasil´s FX program is a good example, the F-16 type offered doesn´t have BVR capability. No problem with that though, there is a lot of potential suppliers elsewhere and to be honest, the possibilitie of large, even medium, open conflict in South America is a very tiny one. The last war in brasilian borders happened more than 130 years ago!
IMO the hot issues are drug traffic and low scale guerrilla warfare.
The US had a ban to sell weapons on Latin America, a self imposed ban, the reasons are simple with an international policy and history of military interventions in Latin America, the US wants as weak as possible any Latin American country, nowadays these has change a little but since more Latin American Nations are buying Russian and the most advanced nations in Latin America, Brazil and Mexico as well other nations that their military need have forced them to get other suppliers have opted for non American military stuff, Washington is trying to attract some buyers, Chile or Mexico can modified their aircraft with Israeli avionics that are many times better and can be fitted to US aircraft, however the US has still lots of influence at the moment of purchasing new aircraft in Many Latin American nations due to economic pressure.
The latin American issue are not only drug traffic and low scale guerrila warfare but in modern times mostly is self sufficiency in Domestic development and production of high tech and Brazil throughout EMBRAER and the VLS mainly has shown the Importance of high technology and highlighted the need for a well developed aircraft industry to preserve it`s indepence and that has had an eco in Mexico. since the US and EU had played the region with other emerging markets for investment so domestic technology is imperative in the economic development of Latin America and the aircraft industry is quit important.
on the Picture a IA-63 Pampa for the US bid for a new advanced trainer, F-16s and Mirage V Venezuela, MiG-29 MRCA on tour in Venezuela trying to achieve a sale for the Venezuela Air force, a Venezuela F-16 along side an USAF F-15 and Chilean F-16s, Dassault Mirage V/ENAER-IAI Pantera.
FloggerThere are planty resources of information on the Kfir in the internet, but when I come to research about a plane I usually do some ‘Googleing’ before. I believe you’ll find there anything you’ll like. And if you’ll be a little bit more specific and bring some questions, I could answer them.
yes you are right, but the vast majority are very brief, for example i read that the Kfir plans were based on stolen Mirage V blueprints but that is very scketchy i do not know who was the chief engineer and how was it`s flight test program if the were many aerodynamic configurations and how Israel managed to get the Machinery to built the Mirage V and later build the Kfir, how was as a fighter in combat and so on
FloggerVenezuelan Mirage V
Floggerif i do recall, Super Etendard 02 (from the pics above) is the one that fired the Exocet missile that sunk the HMS Sheffield.
Camaro.
I did not know, but i feel is likely since the 02 is the one in a Argentine air Museum.
more pictures of the Azcarate one the few aircraft that have been built in Mexico, plus come FAM (mexican Air Force) Mi-26 and Mi-8s, F-5s, Sikorsky S-70 Blackhawk, Argentine Super Etendard firing an Exocet, Peru`s MiG-29s and ERJ-145 and a Brazilian made and designed AAM Piranha
FloggerArgentian Sources claimed that their Super Etendard were able to attack the HMS Invencible but they lost two A-4 Skyhawk that managed to drop bombs on the HMS Invencible after and Exocet hit the deck of the aircraft carrier Invencible however they never manage to sink it but take out of area and some claimed that the carrier was seen towed to Ascension Island for repairs but the British sources denied the incident
FloggerInst. 11,5°/sec at Mach 0,9 and 15000 feet
value for MF
MF 8,0 G
ML 8,5 G below Mach 0,85 and 7,5 G above (transsonic stress+heating later, but in this case the wing setting from 45° to 72°)12 ex GDR MiG-23ML (refurbished in Dresden) via Ramstein transported into USA.
The US recieved MiG-23ML and MLD
FloggerWhile it is true that Latin America has mostly second or third generation aircraft such as the F-5Es, Mirage III or A-4s the few Mig-29s of Peru and Cuba and the F-16s from Venezuela and Chile are rare exceptions, the Large Nations such as Argentina, Brazil or Mexico have non fourth generation fighters but an excellent AEW capability.
Israel has upgraded several old Mirage IIIs and V to Kfir standards and helped Chile to upgraded it`s own.
On the picture we see an Israeli Podded Jammer, the Elta EL/L8212 on a Chilean Elkan Mirage V in 2003 Fidae Air show
A picture of the Mexican E-2 in Israel before it`s delivery to Mexico
F-5 Brazil and EMBRAER ALX, AMX and the best seller ERJ-145SA on Brazilian and Greek colors and a picture of the FIRST CHINESE BUILT HARBIN-EMBRAER ERJ-145 a PRIDE FOR BRAZIL AND LATIN AMERICA
FloggerAs fas as i know the MiG-23 Flogger has a instantaneus turn rate of 11 deg/sec and a sustained turn rate of 8.5 deg/sec however i do not know what variant and at what altitude.
The Flogger G load factors are 7Gs for the MiG-23S Flogger A; 8Gs for the MiG-23M Flogger B; MiG-23MS Flogger E and MiG-23MF Flogger B; the MiG-23ML/MLD/MLA have an increased G load capability of 8.5Gs.
FloggerBeleza Flogger, 🙂
I’d say Argentina is not that bad – with their A-4AR, they have a nice capability, with APG-66, AIM-9L and good avionics for the region. This, in combination with a relatively vast delta fleet, makes even a comparison with Mexico quite unfair. Mexico has the advantage in sensor aircraft, but there’s little combat capability besides one small F-5 squadron.
And Chile AWACS is a good one, but it’s a lonely plane – this has serious complications in sotie rate / total AEW coverage. So, FAB’s fleet with 5 R-99A provides better coverage.
And finally, it’s dangerous to compare only the combat capabilities. If support and logistics are put into account, FAB looks well beyond others – with a reasonable number of tanker, transport, sensor and rotary aircraft.
valeu,
Perhaps i was misunderstood, Argentina has a early 1960`s fighter aircraft only the IAI Finger is little bit more modern, Mexico has also 1960`s vintage fighters F-5Es, Mexico has bought 25 F-5Es from the Swiss Air Force in 2004 and will be recieved in November 2004 and will likely recieve an additional order making a total of 40 or more F-5Es in it`s inventory
; Mirage IIIs, A-4s and F-5s are quit comparable no big difference but a MiG-29 Fulcrum C is quit comparable to an F-15C and Peru has them with AA-12 Adder, only if Brazil chooses the SU-35 will dominate the area strategically but instead of pitting Latin American country against each other i feel Brazil will or should organize a NATO style organization based on MERCOSUR
A-4 Skyhawk, 25 de Mayo Aircraft carrier and IAI Finger Argentine Air force Chile`s Pantera and Ecuadorian Kfir C10 and Argentine Naval Aviation Dassault Super Etendard
FloggerArgentina and Brazil have the most advanced aircraft industries in Latin america however they do not have the most powerful fighter fleets that privilage belong to Peru`s MiG-29 and Mirage 2000 fleet, Ecuador`s Kfir C10 Venezuel`s F-16s and Chile`s F-16s, the introduction of MiG-29 in Venezuela and Argentina and Su-35 or Mirage 2000 production lines in Brazil will again level the things and perhaps will boost Brazil as the true leader of MERCOSUR but nowadays Brazil`s fighter fleet is quit inferior to Peru`s and Brazil AWACS less capable than the Chile`s Condor and F-16 team, Argentina perhaps has at the moment one of the weakest air forces in South America comparabel just to Mexico but this even yields in AEW capability
In 2004 Peru has perhaps the most powerful air force in latin America A chart of the South American Air Forces, line up of Peruvian combat aircraft and a Peruvian MiG-29. Brazilian built AMX Argentinian built AI-63 Pampa and a Mexican E-2 Hawkeye and Mi-8 the later will be assamble and overhaul in Mexico
Floggertoday i was lucky and got to visit the cockpit, the Ruslan (volga dnieper) was loading here at CYMX (Mirabel intl) 😎
man! what a hot babe she is, i just fall in love, 😀 , it made wish i was either the capt. or either flight engineer,
for a nuts like me 😉 (people who love to press buttons and move switches and far better…in the air 🙂 ) it is “the woman of your dreams machine”
i had a ball!
Spasiba to those guys 🙂
Camaro.
from a mechanic point of view which aircraft is more complex the An-124, C-5 or the Boeing 747 as far as you know?
FloggerAirsande:
Which were the reasons why the MiG-23MLD were retired from service in BulVVS?
When did they receive the R-24R?, there is any pilots opinion about this missile?
i think was mostly the economic deterioration in all former Soviet allies since according to MAPO the MiG-23-98 upgrade would allowed any MiG-23 to be at least operational until 2010 but perhaps airsande_plus can confir us that
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