Sauron- All Flogger is suggesting is that Latin America has alot more to benefit by recieving technical assistance from countrys like Russia, Ukraine and China than it does from the US, and you go off about how he is suggesting that the US is suppressing economic development and other nonsense about nuclear proliferation. There is nothing wrong with Latin American countrys developing aerospace technology on their own. And the fact that youre freaking out about it DOES suggest some kind of paranoia you have about the idea of these countrys becoming self suficient and no longer dependent consumers of US technology.

Flogger- In the case of Mexico, lack of telecomunications development is certainly not for lack of Money. Unfortunately Telmex seems to have quite a monopoly on the telecomunications of Mexico. So despite the fact that Mexicans pay the same amount monthly for cellphones as in the US, they only recieve a small fraction of the talk time and lower quality. I think the Spanish company Telefonica has invested alot in Latin American telecomunications privatization, but has not greatly benefited local infrastucture.

i agree but also and i think Mexico`s Telmex should be supported but also allow it to continue as one of the largest Latin American firms but at the same time create competition so the telecommunications system can create an alliance with the aerospace sector and that will boost the space capabilities because the only way to support a space programs in latin america is by the civil sector investing heavily in the telecommunications and aerospace sector but that only will happen if there is a market to support it and domestic latin american companies that can invest in a space program.
Argentina fail becasue there is not a real market for weapons in latin america unless other latin american nations start buying Brazilian, Argentinian or Chilean aircraft as Mexico did with the ERJ-145 AWACS that bought to Brazil this year

Is this thread about aviation or just another excuse to blame the US for the broader problems that South and Central America nations largly created for themselves?

South and Central America countries started out roughly at the same time in history as North America and had the same opportunities to develop the social and political structures necessary to develop strong economies and advanced technologies. To the extent that they suceeded or failed is on their heads.

As to military aviation spcifically, if US policy had always been to sell the latest military designs to everyone with out regard to regional politics and conditions you can bet it would now be accused of encouraging an arms race in the region. It chose a very moderate sales policy and as a result others like the French and Russians stepped in. Which policy is better? Why stop with fighters? Lets load the region up with tactical nukes as well! As usual, no one questions the motives of anyone other than the US.

What possible reason does the region need large military forces? To copy the rest of the world? You would think that South and Central America would be proud of the fact that the region is now largly democratic and peaceful.

As far as commercial aviation is concerned, US seems to be quite supportive of Brazil so I don’t understand the explotation argument.

The Monroe doctrine for gods sake! That’s 19th century!

Sauron

I do not agree with you, you are giving the idea that the US is interested in the development of the Aerospace technology of Latin America but the true it is not.
Brazil has been quit smart to diversify it`s sources and partners, Embraer products are international programs also Brazil has developed the civil aviation instead the military.
About the nukes. i a not promoting the fact of getting nukes will solve everything, in fact i am Glad we do not have them because if the world is destroy by the stupid politicians at least Latin America won`t be to blame 😀 there is a huge myth is that Latin America is peaceful or democratic because of the US, all the South American Dictatorships were supported y the US, what happens with latin American people is that we are mature enough to see that democracy is the best aproach for any society.

what i said is for Latin America in the area of aerospace technology we should not expect the US to help us, nations like France, Ukraine, China, India and now Russia can help us more and only the US will help latin america when the US has economic competition,, Embraer developed it self thanks to France`s efforts and a smart policy not because the US wanted to help but because as out sourcing some americn companies saw the potential of Embraer programs of making money

Also what i said we should strive for self sufficiency as Brazil is doing because you can not leave all your own responsabilities in the US

The US to Latin America at the moment is not an ally in the area of technological development because the US is only interested in keeping it`s economic monopoly in the area and stop any latin american company from growing and the latin americans industries with the exception of Embraer have been unsuccessful in developing big firms despite technologically Mexico, Chile, Argentina and Brazil have enough technology to grow into nations as Korea or even Japan due to bad policies by incompetent latin american politicians and US hostility to a more developed latin america

“Some picture of the Domestic and sadly most advanced latin american designed and built combat aircraft the Embraer Tucano. An Argentinian Super Etendard and a Ecuatorian Sepecat Jaguar,

Peruvian Su-22 Fitters and Mirage 2000, Mirage F1 Ecuador
Kfir C10 ecuador”

Flogger,

Tucanos of the smoke squadron are no longer using this camo, i´m attaching a pic with the new camo.
Unfortunately Ecuadorian Jaguars are currently in storage due to lack of funds to operate them.
Regards,

Cool regards A-29 what do you know about a common space Program of all the Latin American i bet if Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Mexico decided to build a common space Program we could advance faster Argentina and Chile they have great aerospace capabilities and Mexico is now trying to catch up with the rest of that group

You know, I always did wonder where the term “Latin America” came from, specifically the “Latin” part. Can anyone shed some light on this, specifically on the implied Roman ancestry of the citizens calling themselves “Latin”, or perhaps the point in time where any of the nations calling themselves “Latin” used that language in their past?

Latin America is called LATIN because the SPANISH, FRENCH and PORTUGUESE are Latin dialects that turned lenguages, and since the official langauges and common link is Spanish, Portuguese and French the nations speaking these langauges are called latin america, but ethnically speaking there are more diversity than just the roman descendants ” immigrants from Spain, Portugal, Italy and France and among them are non Latin descendants Africans and Indians and also there is the half breed people mix result of Europeans, Africans and Indians in General these nations are called Latin due to the use of the latin language instead of the native Indian or African languages of the non European people.

Chilean Air force built under license CASA C-101 Aviojet known in Chile as the A-36 Halcon

The reason they get low paying jobs is because they are here illegally.
If they come in legally, they can get high paying jobs…My doctor is Indian, my English wife is a nurse…both make very good money.
But if you come in illegally, then the only people that will hire them are people who will exploit them.

Do you really want South American counties to have Nukes?
And why would they want them?
The governments are historically not very stable.
The next time there is a “Soccer War” do you really want them reaching for the button?

Part true i agree but i feel the US has hindered the development in many areas of high tech, i do not want nukes and i am gald we do not have them in one way since we are not killers but dancers, however trusting an ally who has a history of a bully, has kept us as servants rather than partners and has helped more Korea and Taiwan and threat a tiny island like is cuba that has no real power beyond the speeches of castro, make feel many nations that divesifying sources is better than keep the US monopoly, Russia or France have helped more Brazil than the US in Argentina or GE in Mexico in the area of aerospace related technologies.

Gee, I didn’t know things were so great south of the border...I’ll tell that to the 37 illegals from Mexico and Brazil that were found a couple of weeks ago in the back of a lorry after they paid someone their life savings to smuggle them into America so they could take lowpaying jobs. 🙂

And if the U.S. really wanted to keep Latin American counties weak, then how does it prevent China, France, Isreal and Russia from selling them arms? To the best of my knowledge, they don’t.

In fact the thing as you said are not so good south of the border due to what the US do exploiting those illigals and plundering the richness of latin america that if Latin america decides to build nuclear weapons, space rockets and ICBMS and Su-35 all the recentment towards the US will boil and Brazil could well give the surprise
The US made sign the latin ameican Nations to sign a deal or a free nuclear Latin America but THE US WILL HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS

And are you telling that the poor state of most of the region’s airforces is due to an US arms embargo ?

That’s a very poor excuse…

No i di not said that, i said that the US does not sell neither F-15s or F-14s or even the Phantoms, because first the economies of the region are in bad shape, second the only other providers of weapons have been France or Israel and Now Russia which is trying to sell MiG-29s and Su-35s, the US is against such policy because has invaded Mexico 3 times, and intervine in several parts of central America, Cuba has been isolated as Venezuela in recent years, Brazil has not been been granted sensitive technologies for it`s space program so the US is not really a latin American Ally in military technologies. China, Ukraine and Russia have been the new allies of Brazil, Mexico has chosen military ties with Russia even is a Economic US ally

Argentina`s Air Force