AinuManOriginally posted by Ja Worsley
Guys I know you’re right, I guess I just snapped a little, but you have to admit, the guy’s a complete smeg pot!AinuMan: PLease accept my appologies mate, I don’t normally flame, I’m just tired that’s all, (it is 05:34 here) And as for my choice of plane, I chose that and I thought I had explained it- it was fulfilling two roles with one plane, plus acting as a political deterant for the Su’s. Sorry if I didn’t explain that fully As for costs of maintainence, well that’s why these planes would only be leased (Sorry I forgot to put that in as well- damd I must be more tired than I thought).
Don’t worry about it Ja, infact if you didn’t mention it..you didn’t strike me the least bit as angry, especially compared to some other posts in the forum
AinuManOriginally posted by GoldenDragon
Ja, I hate to say it, but attempting a serious debate with someone who uses his time here attempting to be “cute” ( :rolleyes: ) and flooding the forum with hamburger pictures is not a good way to expend brain power 🙂
please don’t bring in you and hamburger’s conflicts in here, I’d like to keep this flame free if you don’t mind, thanks 🙂
Ja: well i hate to admit it, but he/she/it did bring a good point on maintenance issue.. if they were to look for heavy US fighters, perhaps the F-15A’s would be a better choice?
AinuManOriginally posted by Srbin
Well the Mirage-2000BR offered to Brazil is kind of like the -9, it costs some 70mn, Gripen meanwhile offered for about 50mn.
Interesting..
the South African Gripen deal pretty much was about $65mn per aircraft (including all the goodies)
while the Taiwan and UAE deals put the M2K around that area too.
AinuManOriginally posted by Aurel
So,so an independend Sachalin. If Russia is hostile forget it and await the Russian invasion. If they grant your independence, you should buy something from them as a goody.
Well, the distance to the mainland isn’t that big. I would lease 48 Gripen A’s and later buy Gripen fitted with EJ-200.
24 Typhoons would be on the list, too.
Weapons would be Iris-T, Meteor, Taurus,RBS-15 mk3, Alarm or Armiger and GPS guided Bombs. For transports and MPA 24/24 Beriejev 200. As far as I know, it is possible to get them with western engines. 3 A-330 MRTT for strategic transport/tanker.
3 EMB-145 AEW’s and 2 additional for VIP Transports.
24 NH-90 for transports and SAR, 24 for ASW. Pilot training I would do externally, maybe the Japanese would be happy about such a deal ?
Additionally some used Patriots and Rolands for point defense.
Summary:
48 Gripen
24 Typhoon
48 Be-200
3 A-330MRTT
5 EMB-145
48 NH-90
+ Patriot and Roland
you’re a real sharp one Aurel, didn’t expect anyone to know I was talking about Sakhalin 😉 i’m also not surprised you chose the Typhoon too :p
AinuMancould it be possible of the Blue Vixen-Amraam relation? although the FC-1 is slated to get the SD-10 right? :confused:
Also what aircraft uses the Thales RC-400? and for the FC-1, which radar do you prefer personally?
AinuManOriginally posted by cyb
How does it differ from m2k-9 ?
seems like these articles will state that it will get the Rafale’s avionics.. however it doesn’t seem certain what it’ll get..
however if it gets the Spectra system and the unique cockpit layout, it would be definitely at least as good as the Gripen, since the Mk2 already has the advantage of more hard points and longer range and near similar operational costs.
AinuManRe: For the “NAY SAYERS” & those with an “AIR of ENVY”:
Originally posted by Haleyoneshoemak
Mark your own words, people, cos:It’ll probably come back to haunt you exactly as did the elusive
J-10 of a couple of years back. It’s probably come back to haunt you
exactly as did the prejudicial joke that the “Time’s-of-India” had made of those
clumps of glue and silicons which encircle the earth this very minute…Smoking gun:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=4651279
(Potentials of Chengdu products in the marketplace)“Excerpt: China has also purchased, and is developing,
advanced fighter aircraft that are broadly comparable to the
best of our current frontline fighters,” Roche added.“Now the facts:
First, and aslo as had been admitted recently, those rusty buckets
was the thing that kickstarted Reagan’s Starwars Program (NMD) once again, but in
the name of rogue states of course. But, we all know better.Then, and for whatever it’s worth, those rusty buckets fueled and
revived the world’s interest in manned lunar expeditions again. And it’s all because
of fears that those rusty buckets may indeed succeed in making it up there and start
submitting applications for title rights to the lunar land titles office.And now, also admittedly as the excerpt in the above
imediately indicates: Those rusty buckets may in fact be the reason,
or the fuel, which keeps the F-22 program going red hot.So, who would want FC-1???
In due course, you may all just be surprised!!! Because, this world
works in many mysterious ways.
Wrong thread, this is thread is about Greek A-7s, not F-22s or chinese airplanes, you probably meant to post this at the other thread below.
AinuManHow will India divide the roles between the Su-30MKI and the Mirage 2000-5?
AinuManOriginally posted by GoldenDragon
The issue is not that US shouldn’t build the best aircraft, she shouldn’t use China as a lame excuse.As I said earlier, if you need to build the Raptor, go build it, don’t point to China as an enemy.
Don’t single out one country, as in the story I posted, and declare it as a reason for the Raptor.
China don’t really care whether the USA increases its advantage or not, it – along with the rest of the world – has accepted US military dominance, but they don’t like being used as a target and as an excuse.
As said earlier by other posters in the thread, China military per capita is actually very small cokpared to the US. China has a population 400 percent bigger than the US but a military only 30 percent bigger in personel and a budget that is many times smaller.
Don’t take it too seriously GD.. people have made up alot of different reasons to save the raptor from politicians.. the latest I heard was that the US-Indian war game was an attempt to promote the obselence of the F-15 to the Flankers in order to justify the continuation of the F-22.. and this Chinese one you mentioned.
AinuManOriginally posted by GoldenDragon
The issue is not that US shouldn’t build the best aircraft, she shouldn’t use China as a lame excuse.As I said earlier, if you need to build the Raptor, go build it, don’t point to China as an enemy.
Don’t single out one country, as in the story I posted, and declare it as a reason for the Raptor.
China don’t really care whether the USA increases its advantage or not, it – along with the rest of the world – has accepted US military dominance, but they don’t like being used as a target and as an excuse.
As said earlier by other posters in the thread, China military per capita is actually very small cokpared to the US. China has a population 400 percent bigger than the US but a military only 30 percent bigger in personel and a budget that is many times smaller.
Don’t take it too seriously GD.. people have made up alot of different reasons to save the raptor from politicians.. the latest I heard was that the US-Indian war game was an attempt to promote the obselence of the F-15 to the Flankers in order to justify the continuation of the F-22.. and this Chinese one you mentioned.
AinuManOriginally posted by GoldenDragon
PAK-FA is certain to be a Sukhoi project? Or they haven’t officially decided yet?
it’s certain to be a Sukhoi.. the Russian government chose Sukhoi a while ago (maybe a year or two?) to lead with the other companies assisting it.. all signs point to a design similar to the Su-47
AinuManOriginally posted by glitter
Keep in mind that comparison are difficult.From UAE to Taiwan, UAE already have mirage 2000 so hte deal didn’t include training of pilots, crew etc ..
About the brazilian F-X I’m still waiting a reliable source about these 70 millions AND details of teh deal, which isn’t available.
Since you don’t know what is in it, you can’t know if this 70 millions is expensive or not.
About the graph, to make it easy
Grippen = 2000$ per hour
Mirage 2000-5 = 2700$
F-16 block 50= 3600$.
but it would make much less sense.. assuming we use the expensive value (i heard 1 billion and 3.2 billion for the 30+ UAE mirages)..it is still the most expensive, while the Taiwanese one is being the cheapest, while the Taiwanese also had previous experience with the basic M2K.
but if it’s true that it can be as low as 33 or even 42 million.. the latest MiGs will have a hard time competing with the M2K..especially since it’s also around the same price range (according to the figures posted in another post of being around 30 million as well).
AinuManOriginally posted by PLA
MKI throwing some dumb bombs? That sounds strange.
cheaper to throw dumb bombs
AinuManOriginally posted by A-29
To Brazil, Dassault is offering 12 planes with a unit cost of US$ 70 million. It´s a scandal.:mad:
I wonder if the high price is due to the costs of integrating the Rafale’s avionics on it? India should place their order after Brazil places theres to benefit from this cost in development :p (assuming they both pick it)
AinuManI know, but I didn’t create that graph.. to make it easier on your eyes, just highlight the graph
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