That is an absolutely awesome sound… What is it about some turbo’s that makes the spine tingle? Shame it will never be heard in the air again. :cool::(
What a pitty. In my eyes the 310 is the best looking twin ever. With that long nose wheel oleo it does look a bit like an F7 Tigercat, if you close your eyes and stand back 5 miles!!:D
I remember a few years back some discussion about a Dalcross Defiant, is this the same exaple?:confused:
When it retires G-HLFT could still make it into a museum, so what exactly have we lost?
OK fine… Lets go down the “we’ll just save one and hope for the best” road. Do you really think if 30 years ago we had just kept one Beverley, say the “safe” example at Hendon, that it would still be here today. I doubt it!
And now the low timed almost airworthy Guppy at Bournemouth is being scrapped.. But never mind aye, because surely one of the other two examples will be preserved, won’t they….?
We are all entitled to our own opinions on preservation but i personally would like my kids, and in time grandchildren to still be able to see at least one example of most if not all types of aircraft, especially those that have a connection with Britain. And in MY opinion the best way for that to happen is NOT preserving just one example now and hoping for the best.
If those in authority had done more in the past we would’nt be scratching around now trying to resurrect complete examples of the Stirling, Whitley, Whirlwind, Wyvern, Firebrand, Hermes, Tudor, …. the list is endless.
And why does a type need to be significant to be worthy of preservation? What of the test pilots and crews who sacrificed all for the development of aviation…. do they not deserve to be remembered as well?
Contrary to some peoples beliefs, aviation does not just revolve around Spitfires and Concorde!
How would moving it up to Duxford give it any more chance of survival if it wasn’t housed inside?
Please read my first reply to this thread before i lose the will to live!! I am talking about the flyer which was apperently offered to the IWM for £4000.:diablo:
I don’t think it is a case of being complacent…..just realistic.
Remember, the owners are not just scrapping this aircraft, they are recovering spares first. These will certainly include the engines and propellers, possibly the tyres, wheels, brakes, instruments and so on. Which museum do you suggest would want what is left?
That brings us right back to my first point. “IF” the IWM turned this down when offered the chance of it complete and flying in, then we would’nt have to worry about anyone ‘wanting what is left’.
I do fear the worst for large aircraft when there are only a few left, because once they’re gone, they’re gone! BE WARNED!:(
AI think the answer is here:
http://friends-of-tfc.blogspot.com/
Cheers
Paul
Thanks Paul, pitty she’s not staying!
Surely the sodding great flame and much extra thrust makes a bit of a difference!
Now come on Pagen, don’t be shy and say what you think..:D
Well there is one complete Beverley left, in the open. Less than 30 years ago there were three. I hope in time that the “ones enough” brigade are not proved wrong!
Pagan, there has been on more than one occasion a case of a museum or hangar being raised to the ground by fire, including the contents….
Theres never an excuse to be complacent!!
send me an address mate, I cant seem to cut and paste from my PC. I am the Station historian at RAF Lossiemouth so if you ever fancy a visit to the museum, let me know. It is free, but for obvious reasons, by invite only!
Toni, have sent you a pm mate. Cheers.
With 10% of the fleet permanently preserved and 10% still flying is the outlook that bleak?
I think we are missing a vital point here.. Suppose that, heaven forbid, the example at Cosford was destroyed by fire, what others are preserved at this moment anywhere in the world? I recently saw a film clip of a Heavylift Belfast coming to grief during its landing (starboard gear failure and skidded off runway), when and where this happened i do not know. I presume it was the airworthy example in Australia and has since been repaired, but it just goes to show that literally anything can and will happen, so why put all yours eggs in one basket so to speak!!
It is sad to report that the scrapping of BEPS is now reported to be underway at Southend. she last flew from Manston to Southend on 30/03/01 a great deal of effot was made to get her back in the air sadly its looking like that dream will not now happen.
If this is true and ‘IF’ its also true that Duxford were offered this aircraft to fly in and turned it down then the IWM should hang its head in shame. Having just one example of an aircraft preserved (nee Blackburn Beverley) is just tempting fate.
Now that air and space is a reality there is easily enough ramp space for a Belfast, but then its not a Spitfire, is it IWM!!:eek:mad:
Post WW2 Westland and anything fixed wing seems to have been a bad idea.
I don’t entirely agree with that!
The Wyvern was basically an excellent design and subsequent aircraft, but massively let down by two cancelled Rolls Royce engines (nee Eagle and Clyde) and its subsequent redesign, and the under development of the replacement Armstrong Siddeley Python. This engine was initially designed to power Avro Lincolns on long bombing missions at a constant power setting, and not for use in a fighter (strike) where the position of the throttle is constantly changeing.
Blame the engine manufacturers yes, and to a degree the navys constantly changeing specifications, but to pin it all on Westlands does seem a little unfair!!:(
Yes Toni that would be very welcome!
[QUOTE=James D;1282242]I remember being astonished by the size of the cockpit section that I saw at Tangmere. It was as big as a house!
Yes come on James D, whats this about a cockpit section at Tangmere! Or do you mean the rear fuselage that was pulled out of the ground near Littlehampton several years ago?:confused: