The Nimrod demo in Holland is G-ALYW
The ATR.42’s main gear door is hanging very low???
Yes, Lufthansa warned… not even a 787 operator. The Article calls it a 787 problem yet reports is as an engine issue which it clearly is…shocking reporting
It was always said that the narrowness of Concorde was negate but the short sector time.
Might be different to sit in that for 8-10 hours, but a quick whizz cross the pond with plenty of attention in a plush seat…well I think I could rough it :very_drunk:
In a relative sense yes.
Folk sometimes fee the 757 is small for TA yet that is almost a latter day 707 as far as cabin dimensions go.
KLM, Swiss and Lufthansa used to used Boeing 737s with reduce luxury seating. Owned and operated by Privatair.
Small??…Learjet go Transatlantic often and Cessna Citations and in years gone by executive Viscounts, later One-Elevens and DC 9 would make the trip.
The A.318 is not that small for the trip.
Air Canada use A.319 on pax services to LHR.
Yep…I know this goes on with all countries bugging each other if they can
the question is…Should they be doing it and the answer is morally no…but I guess they would then play the “For reasons of National security” card, which covers anything they want to do without having to answer for it or disclosing anything about it.
So I guess the answer is no but realistically we have to accept that it is going on, always has and always will.
Yep…I know this goes on with all countries bugging each other if they can
the question is…Should they be doing it and the answer is morally no…but I guess they would then play the “For reasons of National security” card, which covers anything they want to do without having to answer for it or disclosing anything about it.
So I guess the answer is no but realistically we have to accept that it is going on, always has and always will.
The storage in the desert of new 747’s is only temp and often done to delay import duty as the climate is tighter now than wen they ordered them
The same thing happened with some -200 and 400 BA and Air Canada were just two who sent aircraft initially straight into storage. In fact BA sold a couple of -200 to Malaysian and replaced those with new orders.
I doesn’t mean the end or even a wind down, as I mentioned above this is just one aeroplane per four months reduction. The 747-8I will never have a big market, it’s a long time ago now that the 747 was the main man for pax operations, but the 8F with it’s straight in nose loading should have a steady market for sometime as older aircraft are retired and need replacing
I don’t think we will see big order or fleets, but in a steady stream of small orders.
However it might be that the steady relatively low demand might in the future not suit Boeing if with an upturn they might feel the production space could be better used on another project.
So, maybe in the future Boeing might pull the plug.
It has had a remarkable production run, which viewed from the time it was originally designed is phenomenal.
A reduction of one aircraft every four month the year after next. Hardly worth a mention really.
Just a production adjustment to better suit needs as Boeing says.
The aircraft is an expensive piece of kit to hold onto longer than needed on the line so one would only expect a sensible company to match production needs as close as possible.
I don’t see this as the beginning of the end of the 747, but of course as new designs get developed the 747 will become less and less competitive in many areas.
It’s done well and amazing that it is still in demand after so many years.
There is more of a demand for the freighters rather than the pax and this disparity will almost certainly widen over time.
Wasn’t there one that hit a bridge a few years back?
For sure it’s dangerous but the danger is the thrill. Ban this and they’ll find something else. Human nature to push the limits well beyond where the normal footsteps tread. That is how and why we’ve progressed as a species.
Agreed…which is why I don’t use the term
Of great concern for the reason I mentioned but where it goes from here will show.
Boeing still manage full production lines, they won’t suffer unduly from this.
Now…if JAL had made a large order and Boeing moved to meet it by increasing production and then it was cancelled…that would be a massive blow. This is not. Too many times nowadays the extreme superlative is used to describe a disappointment.
This will be of concern to Boeing, but it can just as easily swing back again.
There seems to be a general consensus, that, because a carrier has always ordered from a manufacturer they always will…even to the point of feeling they should continue to do so.
It is not known if the 787 woes have anything to do with this, but really the type choice should be made on the commercial basis of not only the cost of day to day operation but spares deals and whatever the manufacturer wants to throw in.
They don’t owe Boeing anything, each type has been chosen on the current merits or should have been.
Maybe in thirty years time, JAL an all Airbus (maybe) operator orders the latest Boeing and the mirror image of this thread will appear here.
With many airlines swinging away from Boeing (and McD Douglas) towards Airbus over the last few years, JAL a major carrier who has never ordered Airbus before will be of major concern to Boeing.
Whether or not the 787 issues have anything to do with this, the fact that an Airbus breakthough has happened on the doorstep of where the 787 issues were perhaps most felt can only add to Boeing woes.
The should make him pay back every penny, even if that bankrupts him forever.
The airport shouldn’t be charging passengers anything.
The airport costs are covered in the landing fee and anything else the airport charges the airline to use.
You buy your travel from the airline and don’t always want to fly from the airport you have to use
This is like having to pay a shop an entrance fee to help it keep nice carpets etc.