RWR detects radio emissions of all possible radar systems. If your database contains the required info about the AWG-9, your RWR will not only tell you it is painting you but also when it has locked you and switched over to the targeting mode – which is a pre-requisite for any Phoenix shot..
Sure but it doesn’t warn of the actual missile, so you have no idea when it’s going to arrive until a little speck on the windscreen kills you.
It does have a lower RCS and better SA though. A lot of features of the T-50 and J-31 are just not stealthy and the F-35’s SA is cutting edge.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the Phoenix was capable of an ‘over the horizon’ shot. Which means for a large fraction of its flight, the plane would not provide mid course updates.
Never heard of OTH shots. Hell, where would the horizon even be at 30,000+ft? I guess it could be guided by a secondary platform though.
If I wanted a plan that could go to war now, I would choose the Rafale, as it is a proven platform.
If the question was being asked in say 5 years, I might say F35, assuming that by that time it had got to Block 4 Software and that it had proven itself, in this configuration, at such things as Red Flag, it is just too immature at the moment.
Then the question of what do I want out of plane, IMHO Rafale, with its higher speed is better for air defence.
By all accounts the F-35 has walloped other aircraft at Red Flag.
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Well to be fair there are more than a few Franco bots too.
Wouldn’t the RWR be triggered by the AWG-9?
I think he means MAWS, RWR doesn’t really warn of missiles until they go active, which is too late. By the time MAWS is triggered it would likely be too late. The Phoenix was very fast and had a relatively large warhead.
Where?
Hardly a proof.. could be ECM.. or mountains.. at 150 km you got no chance to tell.
I’m merely indicating how it could have been verified. I believe the missile itself will also tell you when it’s locked, so that combined with a disappearance from the radar of several friendly fighters within the next 10s would be a fairly good indicator.
What’s incorrect?
It was designed for reduced RCS but still had an RCS well above an F-22/F-35. Its main advantage was speed and altitude but the fact one never got shot down was as much due to luck and SAM malfunction as anything else.
You’re all constantly referring to preference of the F-35 over the old aircraft.. But that is hardly an achievement, is it? My question is how many would prefer it over the T-50 or J-31? Because these are the fighters the F-35 will be dealing with (among others)…
Very well. Lower RCS, better SA.
150 kms out? I doubt it. I would love to know how exactly that kill was confirmed? Lt Ahlan seems to have had very good eyesight?
Wreckage found later, disappearance from radar.
Not even a choice – F-35.
It’s like choosing between chocolate and a freshly laid turd.
They can, but the firing position is different, their guidance is different. Don’t know a lot about these SAMs, especially the Hawks, which surprisingly enough I have seen up close more times than I could count.
I think the phoenix has a proximity fuse, but perhaps not fine tuned enough for a small target.
Their guidance is SARH,which is generally considered worse than ARH.
Yes, but the phoenix would probably never hit a fighter sized plane at those distances. It was meant to protect the fleet from nuclear bombers.
Can and has.
http://www.acig.info/CMS/?option=com_content&task=view&id=73&Itemid=1
3-6039 was the F-14A used to shot down an Iraqi Mirage F.1EQ on 20 February 1987 by a single AIM-54A from a range of almost 150km. The Iraqi pilot, 1st Lt. Ahlan, did not survive the hit.
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