Starfish Prime& what’s the amount of US aid in pakistan?
What’s the amount of Chinese military equipment? Where was Bin Laden found? Could the US trust Pakistan to tell them about the operation?
Starfish PrimeBull. The US provided the talibans in afghanistan with their weapons, did they give them M16? Of course not they gave them Kalashnkiovs which are more reliable if not maintained properly, and for which they could find ammunition easily. They also provided them with Milan missiles & so on.
If you are suggesting the US is not financing because they don’t use only US weapons, you’re even dumber than I thought.
Nic
In the past they did in the 1980s but then Russia financed and bankrolled quite a few ar5eholes during the same time frame, as did China. China is supplying the Taliban via Pakistan right now, notably SA-7 and FN-6.
Yemen, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Tunisia, Egypt, Mali, Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia, Russian problem in the Caucasus, Azerbaijan vs Armenia, you think the US is doing all that, or maybe it’s just Muslims being Muslims? Contrary to popular belief, not everything that goes wrong in the world is a product of The White House, or even the G7. They will visit Mecca shortly, they will stampede and kill each other and the US will be blamed.
Anyway, we have detoured somewhat into politics.
Starfish PrimeStarfish PrimeBullcrap. Who supported the “moderate opposition”, who trained & supplied ISIS in weapons?
Nic
Granted, weaponry supplied to so-called moderate opposition did make its way to ISIS and Al-Nusra but quite a lot of their kit is Chinese, e.g. the FN-6. How did they get hold of that hey?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN-6#Combat_history
I also saw a 37x240mm shell on an RT report.
Most of it actually came via other neighbouring Sunni regimes. You think someone actually needs to instruct Sunnis to kill Shias?
Starfish Prime= I’m dodging the question that Mercurius asked.
If you mean journalists, the answer is and always will be none. There is no two-seater planned, so no journalist – even if they are a trained test pilot – will be invited to fly it. But the next-best thing to having hands-on experience is to fly the simulator, and/or to interview one or more pilots who have flown the type. You could also interview one or more of the engineers and project managers who built it. These approaches are a long way from simply printing one’s own opinion.
Journalists are like members of most professions – there are good ones, adequate ones, and clueless ones. My former profession required me to spend hours in technical libraries, so I soon learned which journalists and defence academics were worth reading and which were not. Also which company engineers published high-quality technical papers and which were prone to regurgitate public-relations material.
And I once knew an experienced BAC missile engineer who assured me that no country other than the UK had a Rapier-class light SAM! (He had never heard of Crotale or Roland.) But most companies take care to make sure that official requests for information are handed over to persons who have the knowledge needed to respond.
No, I’m getting to the point. How many journalists criticising the F-35 have flown one, or even the simulator?
How many criticising it have interviewed managers and engineers involved in the project?
Well that’s the problem isn’t it, you have two people from the same company giving different accounts. It would be the only LOAL missile without a data link if the absence of it were true, which could be viewed as either good or bad – e.g. unable to receive directions in flight but amazing seeker IRST acquisition capability.
The other thing to note is that people giving briefings are usually salesmen, or spokespeople who are essentially given information from engineers often via another person who filters it, so the information is secondhand, if not third-hand at best. I heard similar such briefings whilst at BAE and I cringed whilst listening to them because of the mistakes. A lot of information given is also highly conservative. I.e. the RAF would likely brief that the range of an AIM-120C-5 is ‘over 20nm’ (same as Skyflash), speed Mach 2.5. So when they say Mach 4+ for a Meteor, what the hell does that actually mean?:highly_amused:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/amraam.cfm
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafiles/0186cc2a_1143_ec82_2ef2bffff37857da.pdf
Similarly the range of an ASRAAM was previously declared as 15km, speed Mach 3 (more than AIM-120) by them, even though MBDA say 25+km.:highly_amused:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafiles/0186cc2a_1143_ec82_2ef2bffff37857da.pdf
http://www.mbda-systems.com/air-dominance/asraam/
And a Storm Shadow 250+km, even though they previously let slip 300+nm.:highly_amused:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/stormshadow.cfm
https://web.archive.org/web/20150103054239/http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/stormshadow.cfm
Brimstone – 10+nm or 20+nm?:highly_amused:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/brimstone.cfm
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafiles/0186cc2a_1143_ec82_2ef2bffff37857da.pdf
In fact there is a plague of contradictions between that pdf and their website.
So I wouldn’t take your briefing as gospel. In my time as an engineer I’ve helped several companies correct datasheets and manuals for equipment they’d been selling for over 10 years. I’ve literally spent hours and hours puzzling over why something doesn’t work, only to find that the manual was wrong before finally getting it working.
In the March 2016 issue of Combat Aircraft it shows a picture of a building in Syria said to have been hit by a Tomahawk, in the recent Keypubs Stealth magazine, same building but said to have been hit by F-22.
Facts are very hard to come by in this game.
Starfish PrimeHe quit in August 1974. He announced the withdrawal of US troops on 15-01-1973, & the USA signed the Paris agreement 12 days later. The USA withdrew its forces from South Vietnam less than three months later. So, what would he have done differently
after withdrawing US troops, & after the passing of the Case-Church amendment in June 1973 that barred re-intervention, that would have totally changed the course of the war, & that he didn’t do before August 1974?Don’t forget that he could only have remained president for another two years.
Another 3 years, which would have made a big difference since Vietnam had started fighting in Cambodia by then.
Starfish PrimeIn Vietnam the wartime futige was not in any way similar to what happend in WW2. Pot n kettle.
All the US KIA and otherwise injuries Physical, post war stress syndrom had no accept in US. Times had changed. All losses both in war funding and personel accelerated US Vietnam vithdraw.
North Vietnam won the war. They was smart enough to fight it in their own way.US never got their head around to stop them. The ” attrition strategy” was a failure on US part. The paradoks was that N Vietnam used the same strategy and won!
Its utterly uninteresting to debate singel battle. Hell US came to Vietnam to stop communist. They even failed to understand that Communist was not a “thing” with Vietnam. So in retrospect US lost the war even before it started.
There exist many good documentries of Vietnam war.
Macamara figured out something was wrong in the last 2 years of the war, but he could not identify it clear enough, and he was afraid to oppose his President.
If I recall, they did stop Communism.
The war was fought badly, they avoided key targets in Hanoi for the first 7 years.
Starfish Primeno, they are both completely US fault.
look at Iraq. which would you have. violence against political dissenters under Saddam that was stable, or wide spread violence on everybody and chaos?
look at Syria. its split up and everyone is killing each other. before it was only one side killing.
Libya same story
Americans are obsessed with revenge and incapable of handling the long term outcomes afterwards. you’ve no idea what to do after killing Saddam or Qadaffi.
The US did not make Sunni and Shia groups truck bomb each other at a rate of thousands of deaths per months for over a decade.
Even when not at war, they’re still screwed up.
That’s just it, you have to abuse their rights to keep them in check. So one way or another it’s always a mess. Yeah, Libya, same story. They’re completely incapable of living in peace with freedom and democracy. The US didn’t make it that way, that’s just the way they are.
The Americans are incapable of behaving like Saddam or Gaddafi and therefore can’t keep them in check.
Starfish PrimeThere is no coherence to what you are saying. There is no train of thought, there is no logical connection that can be made between the known historical facts and events to support your biased arguments. There is simply nothing.
You wanted to make a distinction between tactical and strategic victory. Which is which all depends on the time frame.
Starfish PrimeStarfish, I think you’re probably 12, you know, at that age where arguing is more important that actually having anything to say?
I don’t know if you are american -not that it matters-, because your use of language is not evident of an american English speaker; It would explain a few things however.
There are two ways to look at things. Painted by your own political, racial, economic and whatever else biases, or as they are (i.e. the truth).
Iraq was and is a US made mess.
Afganistan was and is a US made mess.
Syria is a US made mess.Now, I will not pretend to have the patience to lecture you on why this is the way it is. It is crystal clear that you do not have the capacity to learn or simply you don’t want to.
The simply fact of the matter is however that no matter how much and for how long you write your twisted opinions or beliefs on this forum or other fora you will never change the facts. Not for how good or bad the MiG-21 was, not for how good or bad US foreign policies were or are, not for anything else. Russians, Communists, Chinese, Apaches or the big blue aliens on Pandora, are simply not what you think they are.case closed.
Nope. Iraq is Muslim-made mess. Syria is another Muslim-made mess. Libya too. The world is full of other such examples. Wherever they can be found, mess is sure to follow. 9/11, 7/7, Kenyan Embassies, Boko Haram, Mali, Madrid, Charlie Hebdo, Paris, Orlando, San Bernadino, Bali, Tunisia, Belgium, Germany….. I could go on forever. It’s no coincidence when they are found hand-in-hand with a mess. The fact that someone else was also there had little to do with it.
Starfish PrimeIf you want to know who achieved Check Mate see 1991.
Starfish PrimeHave you ever played chess?
Is it a collaboration game?
Starfish PrimeThere are tactical victories, and strategic victories. You clearly have no understanding of which is which.
Which one would surrendering fall under?
Starfish PrimeHow many editors and journalists do you know? You would need to know a number of them (and their professional backgrounds) in order for us to take that statement seriously, or your earlier claim that most of them are old men. (Of course, what defines an old man depends on one’s age. Stravinsky still thought of himself as a young man when he was in his 70s.)
I prefer (oops, that now needs to read ‘used to prefer’) to get my information first-hand from companies rather than trawling the ‘net. So the only source is an MBDA briefing given to yours truly.
I’d already posted much of that information last September in the ‘CAMM, short-range infrared or radar?’ thread on this forum.
As I understand it from talking to MBDA, there will be no datalink – the new missiles will be functionally identical with the earlier rounds, so that they can be taken into service without a lengthy integration programme.
Cut to the chase. How many criticising the F-35 have actually flown it? None.
Problem is I’ve heard a few others say they gained information from MBDA saying that it does have a data link. They corrected me when i said it didn’t. Then again, if it manages LOAL anyway, who cares?
Checked it out, still quite vague. Wonder about the CAMM data link.
Starfish PrimeTime for you to step in and show us how it’s done..
We already did. They wanted us to leave, so now it’s up to them.
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