Nope, Communist countries are less affected.

I do not question what happened… I merely question History’s interpretation….. US forces were only actively involved up to Jan 1973….. the NV suffered far heavier casualties and damage and never won a single battle….. the invasion of South Vietnam was in spring 1975….. Now that’s two whole years….. There was only 1 year between the First Indochina War and the Second but history declares them as two separate wars….. similarly there was only two years between The Vietnam War and The Cambodian-Vietnam War but again….. history declares them as two separate wars….. so I think one is entitled to take the view that the 1975 spring offensive was also a separate war…. Similarly Vietnam’s bid to spread Communism through Asia ultimately failed…..

The NV believed he would go back in though….. because they saw Nixon as a lunatic…..

All the stops? I didn’t see Hanoi get nuked or VX gassed….. so no they didn’t pull out all the stops at all….. and furthermore spent the whole of 1965-1971 fighting with one hand tied around their balls….. All the stops? Please….. see WWII for details…..

Stop talking ********! That’s b*llocks in English ;- )

The oil price rise in 1973 had nothing to do with the ARVN rolling over the South Vietnamese in a matter of months in 1975! 😀

That’s it from me….Nishikori took the second set and it’s game on for Andy Murray. Bye!

Yes…. because it weakened the Vietnamese economy….. The US Senate also effectively blocked the US getting involved again.

The Case–Church Amendment was legislation approved by the U.S. Congress in June 1973 that prohibited further U.S. military activity in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia unless the president secured Congressional approval in advance. This ended direct U.S. military involvement in the Vietnam War, although the U.S. continued to provide military equipment and economic support to the South Vietnamese government. It is named for its principal co-sponsors, Senators Clifford P. Case (R-NJ) and Frank Church (D-ID). The Amendment was defeated 48–42 in the U.S. Senate in August 1972, but revived after the 1972 election. It was reintroduced on January 26, 1973 and approved by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on May 13.[1] When it became apparent that the Amendment would pass, President Richard Nixon and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger,[2] lobbied frantically to have the deadline extended.[3] It passed the United States Congress with bipartisan support in June by a margin of 325–86 in the House, and 73–16 in the Senate.[4][5] Both of these margins were greater than the two-thirds majority required to override a presidential veto.[4] Although U.S. ground forces had been withdrawn earlier under a policy called Vietnamization

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case%E2%80%93Church_Amendment

So they weren’t there to get defeated.

Sigh….I won’t get drawn in! The US lost the Vietnamese war…..go and waste somebody else’s time who’s got time to refute your nonsense! 😀

You may have been too young to watch the poor people trying to get on the last US helicopter on the roof the US Embassy….and you may not have watched T-55 tanks of the North Vietnamese Army crash through the gates of the Presidential Palace..

….or and watch as the South Vietnamese removed the crest of the South Vietnam government from the microphones and replace it with a neutral ying yang peace symbol in one of the last TV broadcasts by the south…..

….there are plenty of people on this forum that can put you right…..but I would tell them please don’t waste your time….do something useful like watch Andy Murray at the US Open instead:D

Depends on where you declare the end of the war.

No I saw them but it doesn’t change the fact that the US-Vietname War ended in January 1973, although the Vietnamese War as a whole ended in April 1975, two years and 3 months after the vast bulk of US forces had left and there was a clear break in fighting after January 1973. Then the oil price shock hit South Vietnam and there was a chnage in US policy that encouraged the NV to kick-off again and it was only after 2 years of rebuilding their military that they did.

You are correct…..everyone knows Vietnam was a strategic defeat for the USA.

A waste of billions of dollars, cost the lives of over 55,000 US servicemen…..total killed in north and south Vietnam around 2 million all for nothing.

Don’t worry about spin he’s putting on and in this post fact world he won’t let the facts get in the way of his trolling.

This troll has multiple identities…..Peter Parker was another….pure trolling and bugs out and changes identity when called out….

Similar trolls like SigmaA had dodgy posts and language used was not by someone from the UK…..could also be more than one person posting using a single troll name until found out…

I have too much work on and can’t post much….so good luck and keep fighting the good fight! ; -)

Why don’t you check out all the proven errors he has made. The US military was not there in force when South Vietnam got invaded. How can you be defeated if you aren’t there? I also didn’t see Vietnamese troops marching into Washington, nor did I see the US state fail after they lost like the USSR did after Afghanistan. So it all depends on where you want to call the end of the war. Many would say the US-Vietnam War ended in January 1973 and wider game didn’t end until around 1989-1991. Vietnamese policy was to maintain an order of two equally balanced camps, Communist and Non-Communist, that ultimately failed.

If you mean the VPAF sure they were seldom seen in LBII but that doesn’t change anything I have stated so far.

Debatable because we are mostly dealing with claims – but the declassified red baron reports give 2:1 for the 1972 linebacker period (USAF)

The F-4E is another story but trust me – not what you think.

You might be showing your age here – how the hell can you tell the nationality of a pilot from a split second view in the heat of battle impossible for many reasons.

Good question – I am right about the MiG and the unit rotation – advise you to check it out.

So what conclusion can we draw from the fact they were having their back doors kicked in by B-52s around the clock but weren’t sending up any fighters?

Would this be the same Red Baron report that only covers up to 1st June 1967, 5 years before Linebacker?:eagerness:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ault_Report
http://www.paperlessarchives.com/FreeTitles/WSEGReport116.PDF

If they have blonde hair they’re not Vietnamese unless VPAF pilots were bleaching their hair in the 1960s.

I advise you to check out all the links I posted, including the fact 26,000 Soviets were involved in the Korean War.

Basically you’ve been categorically proven wrong on at least 3 things and you’re still arguing.