Kfir? Really? Now that’s a “recent domestic figher” as you required.

TFX? Paper project. ATX? Paper project. Typhoon? Ok but it’s a lemon.

India has the Tejas, which is recent and domestic.

They had an aviation industry, until the F35 came and sabotaged it. See the lack of funding for development of your beloved typhoon because 3 of the 4 partner nations invested to build a wing or rivets for a US aircraft.

Where would the typhoon be today if the money spend by the UK, Italy & Spain on the F35 had been spent on the EF? You’d already have an AESA radar, AESA jammers, CFTs, Strom Shadow & Taurus would have been integrated, as well as Brimstone II and why not even AASM… and you’d have spare change to order more fo them.

The F35 was a great plan to sink the EU countries aviation industry.

Airbus will destroy the rest at some point, but the F35 did a huge chunk of the job.

Nic

Israel has a very serious missile industry and many aerospace capabilities in that, which France doesn’t even have, never mind Rafale export customers.

Rafale is a lemon, France has just squeezed a little more juice out of it.

Tejas ranks as a trainer at best.

The lack of funding for Typhoon has nothing to do with the F-35. The chief culprit isn’t even buying the F-35 and the other two have serious debt problems.

And a carrier that would never have any aircraft and we’d be stuck trying to come up with all sorts of bizarre BS about how our non-stealth fighter was better than stealth. And we’d find ourselves in the mid-2020s with a fighter fleet that was no-longer relevant against peer threats….. just as France will. Seriously, the M2000 will be little short of a joke come 2024 and Rafale unable to do the job unassisted by foreign assets, except against camel-touting suicide bombers.

Why will Airbus sink the rest. Airbus is doing very well in the civil sector, I regret BAE selling their stake in fact, dumb move. And this is yet another point. The UK still has Taranis, just as France has nEROn, it still has a 37.5% stake in MBDA, BAE is massive overseas and Rolls-Royce makes Snecma look like a joke. The market share and figures speak for themselves. The UK/European aviation/defence industry is only crumbling inside your tiny mind.

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?140099-If-you-had-to-choose-between-Rafale-or-F-35&p=2346288#post2346288

Japan can’t even make a copy of an F-16 by itself (F-2 60% built in the USA) and costs even more than F-35 today, but hope to make something stealth and performing on their own? If that thing goes ’till production, we’ll see how it works and for how much cash

Turkey: never built a fighter by themselves (maybe some biplane a century ago, but even that I’m not sure).. starting even lower than Japan, but hope to make it… ok… we’ll see what they make and at what price

Kfir : copy of Dassault Mirage III, coupled with an american engine … they have an industry for avionics, but the rest, forget it

UK Italy Spain… well, you forgot Germany (and somehow, considering the expertise of each, I’d say Typhoon is mostly UK/Germany’s knowhow, but I may be wrong), besides, everybody does what he can not to order any more Typhoons cancelling even those they are required to buy under current contract

Norway?
Denmark?
Australia?

I think it could. It also had its own AESA radar on a fighter before anyone else did.

Much more advanced than Mirage III. Israel actually has quite a few interesting domestically developed missiles (cruise missiles, guided artillery and artillery rockets and guided ballistic missiles, AAMs, ABMs), which still counts as aerospace development in my book. I’d say their missile development is actually well ahead of that of France.

But Germany is not an F-35 customers as of yet.

Oh sure they do. That’s why Saudi Arabia and Kuwait signed up for more. UK production also continuing.

You’re yet to show me one country buying Rafale that has any aircraft designing expertise, never mind fighters. In fact are there even any that aren’t 3rd world/developing nations? An eagle (non-F-15 kind) is about the extent of the aviation sector in most Rafale export markets.

LOL
It turns out you didn’t get the clue. You’re so funny… :highly_amused:

Python 4 is only 15km range.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(missile)

Now what happens to range in tail-chase, as per target aircraft in this case? Cut to 1/3rd (less than in fact), so <5km in tail chase. R-73, rated at 30km, so <10km in tail chase at altitude. So all this says is that MICA EM made an OTS shot at more than <10km, with the help of a secondary aircraft, and at altitude, which is infinitely easier than 5+km at low level.

Range is overrated although I think larger DTs and conformals are planned for the EF somewhere along the line, mainly for export customers who care about such things.

uh come on.
Mitsubishi F-1, F-2, X-2
not to mention P-1, C-2, among many others.

Japan’s military aviation industry is probably on the same level as France and superior to the UK and Germany

I wouldn’t say France was superior to the UK and Germany. They’ve just done more avionics development work on Rafale than Typhoon for now. Rolls-Royce is certainly better than anything France has to offer and BAE SYSTEMS is a much bigger deal globally than Dassault. The British share of MBDA is also larger than France’s share, as big as France and Germany’s share combined. Typhoon just hasn’t used the level of expertise available in the UK.

Would it be possible to build a small missile decoy against active radar guided missiles that would fly close to an aircraft, say 500m. When a fighter detects that a missile is launched at it, it can fire 3 or 4 of those, they would have a datalink to tell them where to fly exactly to be between the plane and the incoming missile.

Even something as small as a towed decoy can have an RCS similar to that of a fighter, so I don’t think those decoys would have to be big. A plane can only use one towed decoy at a time, whereas several of these mini decoys could be launched. They don’t need to have a big impulse, for the most part they need a sustained thrust for about 60 seconds or so at most. Perhaps something the size of a 70mm rocket would do the trick. The aircraft could carry a lot of those in a pod, easily 10 or more.

What you’re mentioning sounds like expendable decoys.

http://www.uk.leonardocompany.com/-/britecloudlaunch

I have neither the time nor the inclination to address your curious obsession regarding the number of contacts I have had over a period of more than 25 years with MBDA and its predecessors regarding the ASRAAM programme, and the nature of such contacts, whether – formal briefing, informal briefing, factory tour, conference presentation, or air/defence show discussion.

Such factors seem (to your mind) to relate to the veracity or otherwise of what I say about ASRAAM, but seem of no interest to other forum members. Your logic seems tenuous, to say the least, and given my impending (temporary) departure from these shores, cannot be addressed further.

No, because you changed your story mid-discussion, which is a sure sign of dishonesty.

Again, with the diary extracts. Nobody needs a blow-by-blow account of your daily movements….. Or whether you think the ability to repair is a conspiracy…..