I’d rather have a foreign nation that I’m allied with have it, than risk a foreign nation I might have to fight have it.
makes sense, except for the “allied” part; such a thing is not alliance, it’s extortion.
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/
^^ I would suggest anybody interested on the matter to follow this link, seems everybody else is just reapeating what they say. So far it seems it was an accident.
The external pod was inherently less accurate than the nose gun…you can imagine the recoil of something that powerful…the mounting system just wasn’t as rock steady as the nose gun (in the picture, you can see that it is attached to the centerline pylon just like a bomb). Added to that was the way the pod was sighted in when being mounted…and the mounting was only temporary, the pod only being loaded when the training requirements called for it…it wasn’t a permanent load.
I thought a gatling type gun has not much recoil due to multiple barrels, at least in comparison with a single barrel gun of the same caliber. Not the case?
Thanx for the rest of the post, very informative. ๐
Have a look here under operational for info on current F-4 Users
http://www.thephantomshrine.co.uk/menu.htmThanks
Very good link, thank you. ๐
So basically UK has not kept at least one in flying condition. It’s a pity of course, but I guess this cannot happen with all retired aircraft. ๐ฎ
Are there any UK phantoms in flying condition for display purposes? Or they were all scrapped?
7. F-16C/D Block52๏ผ
A. Fly-away cost๏ผ40 ~ 45 million USD.
D. Exporting costs (Egypt AF in 2009):
* 24 fighters for 3.2 billion USD (133 million USD per fighter, including the costs for logistic / support / training and some weapons).
But it was 20 pieces after all, not 24. :confused:
Costs for a fighter:
1. Fly-away cost: the price of buying fighter itself.
2. Unit production cost: Fly-away cost + costs of productional facility and tools + costs for logistic / support / training + national tax etc……
3. Unit total cost: Unit R&D cost + Unit production cost.
4. Unit total life-time cost: Unit R&D cost + Unit production cost + Unit service cost for 20-25 years.
5. Unit exporting cost: Fly-away cost + costs of logistic / support / training / weapon / techonology transferring +/- unit service cost for 20-25 years.
Nice posting, thank you. Just a couple of remarks, export cost should also include the creation of infrastructure to support the new fighters and this could mean a lot of things, ifor example in the case of Su- series, it could mean brand new HASs since those birds are too damn big. Infrastructure factor is especially true in countries switching suppliers, such as in the case of Poland or Venezuela.
Also the life time cost obviously includes the cost per flying hour which in turn is a figure varying vastly between single-angined and twin-engined planes and probably between western and eastern planes too. Unless if we are talking about a new, immature product, unique in a fighter, such as the F135.
In other news, Gates says “Lopsided F-35 costs drove me nuts”…
U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he was driven “nuts” by the revelation that taxpayers were funding 70 percent of the overhead at an unidentified plant involved in the increasingly expensive F-35 fighter jet – powered with Pratt & Whitney engines — even though the work used only 6 percent of the floor space, Reuters reports.
The lopsided overhead charge “just drove me nuts” when it was revealed at a briefing, Gates told the House of Representatives Appropriations subcommittee on defense. “I think we can fix that,” Gates added.
Although Lockheed Martin Corp. is the primary F-35, contractor with overall responsibility for the program, Gates was not referring to a Lockheed plant, said Geoff Morrell, the Pentagon press secretary.
Citing what he called proprietary concerns, Morrell declined to identify the company in question.
Lockheed’s chief subcontractors on the program include Northrop Grumman Corp and BAE Systems Plc .
Two separate, interchangeable F-35 engines are under development, one built by Pratt and another by a team made up of General Electric and Rolls-Royce Group Plc.
At an estimated $300 billion-plus, the F-35 is the Pentagon’s costliest arms purchase.
Gates also vowed anew to urge a presidential veto of any legislation that funds the GE-Rolls Royce alternate engine or more Boeing C-17 cargo aircraft.
Lawmakers have kept both programs going for years despite Pentagon efforts to end them in a belt-tightening move.
“I am fully aware of the political pressure to continue building C-17s and to proceed with an alternate engine for the F-35, so let me be very clear,” Gates told lawmakers. “I will strongly recommend that the president veto any legislation that sustains the unnecessary continuation of these two programs.”
Gates fired his F-35 program manager in February and withheld $615 million in Lockheed’s potential award fees as part of a restructuring.
He also added 13 months and $2.8 billion to the plane’s development phase and slowed its transition to full production to cap the cost of potential design tweaks.
The program is projected to cost more than $300 billion over the next two decades for 2,443 planes in three different models for the U.S. Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.
:rolleyes: Original
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You will notice very clearly this image shows its the engine face.
Thank you for defacto acknowledging that the picture you posted in the first place and to which you based your arguments was actually… a fake, eventhough understandably you lack the b….. to admit it. Did you know that beforehand or were you fooled too, I wonder, not that it really matters.
So, “which one is worse“? Kapedani being wrong and/or ignorant, or Kapedani being a liar? The second is something new for that matter. Moreover, if Kapedani has no problem to base his arguments on lies and/or false evidence once, what assurance there is that he won’t do it twice?
This is were the ignore list comes in handy.
You’ll notice that those bolts are flush when in their normal configuration, and are only exposed due to having been loosened by the mechanic.
In order to save yourself some embarrassment do the following: Read carefully Kapedani’s quotations in my post, and then read carefully my comment at the end. You will then see who says what, and most importantly, who doesn’t say what. (for one thing, I never said they are typically exposed) Finally, look at the picture again (thanx @ Zmey BTW).
And to give you some help, here is a small resize with arrows:

Where exactly is the Ignore option in this forum ?
Go to your control panel and select “Edit ignore list”.
Here is the exact link: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/profile.php?do=ignorelist
And a screenshot:
http://i43.tinypic.com/zloymx.jpg
most of the time I browse the forum without logging in… so it doesn’t work that well
Yes, same problem here. Plus, it doesn’t intercept BS in quotations by other members. Still it’s better than nothing because a) it makes the threads a lot easier to read and b) it removes some 90% of the BS occupying valuable screen space.
Can anyone translate…..
I watched only the first one. Actual story begins from 0:30 onwards, but quite frankly there is not much new to be told, other than what has already been posted by members and news stories.
Some points included: It was the third scheduled flight of that day. The RA which crashed was scattered all over the runway, but not near any persons, or crucial facilities. However, the base’s personel had not enough time to clear it (2:55), so they were redirected to another airfield at 126 Combat Group base at Heraklion nearby. Also, at 5:40 there is a still of the second RA whith its damaged tail. At 7:40 onwards, there are some scenes of base personel collecting debris. After that he says that HAF was worried about the temporary unavailability of the airfield which is very important for readiness duties. Within the same day it was restored though. Story finishes at 8:25.
HAF issued a press release on the occasion, no details though, just for the record.
I don’t think many of you understand the implications of the pictures posted :rolleyes: Not surprising for people who think the T-50 remotely compares with anything 5-th generation.
So, basically you claim that -unlike the rest of the ignorants- you do have an idea about 5th gen aircraft and as such, you state that the T-50 (and not the PAK-FA per se) is not even remotely compared to any 5th gen fighter.
OK, you made your point. Let’s see how much you do know about 5th gen fighters —>
Absolutely untrue…
And that is not what I was comparing or talking about. On the F-35 or F-22 you will note that the panels are milled to precision…allowing for no protruding screw heads…and allowing for the gaps needed to apply RAM into those crevasses.
THIS is what I was comparing to.
The T-50 skin is clearly the same old technology of assembly as all previous Russian fighters…rivets…The result is skin deformation, protruding panels, protruding screw and rivet heads, and no room for applying RAM to cover all those things.
F-35 doesn’t have rivets ๐ If thats what you mean. The difference was explained above…
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Yes looking at this picture you see the exact same construction technique as the T-50…ie…lots and lots of rivets and protruding screw heads…skin deformation etc etc.
Now I’ll spare you the time and give you the answer you will be giving me shortly…”how dare you question the genius of Russian designers! They obviously know something we don’t! They obviously can and will make it in the next prototype!!”
Great…when pigs fly…
Hey guys! According to Kapedani, the F-22 does not even remotely compare to anything 5th gen —>
ROFLMAO.
you really have no idea how it works, do you, you cant modify any plane or manufacture your own spare parts, unless you own or license the IP, the manufacture does it or supplies the parts
It is you who has no idea. You can produce and use certain spare parts even just at Base Maintenance SQN level. And if your local aerospace industry has been involved in offsets, it’s highly likely that they can produce even more. This is particularly true with older fighters, I can give specific examples, such as with Mirage 2KEGM and F-4Es… All air forces around the world do it all the time, in fact in sqn exchanges technicians typically share suchs “patented” methods, even manufacturers “learn” and adopt new methods and materials/parts from users.
But that’s not the point. The real deal is to be able to fix any problem at your own infrastructure instead of sending the planes back to the manufacturer’s country and pay a fortune to repair them.