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  • in reply to: Future of the Golden Eagle T-50 #2394831
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    UAE Reopens Talks To Buy T-50 Trainer

    By tom kington
    Published: 27 Jan 2010 12:45

    ROME – The United Arab Emirates has reopened talks to acquire the South Korean built T-50 jet trainer after discussions to buy its rival, Italy’s M-346 trainer, stalled, an Arabian Gulf defense source said Jan. 27.

    “There was a misunderstanding between senior officials in the UAE and Finmeccanica leadership over specifications,” he said.

    “Some components they thought they were getting were not included. The UAE went back to the Koreans and is in advanced talks. They are back to the T-50 and a new deal could come very soon,” added the source, who is familiar with the acquisition program.

    in reply to: US Aircraft Carrier Vulnerable #2008405
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    The US carriers are indeed vulnerable, because

    1-The US Navy is obliged to maintain a continuous presence around the world, so with its scattered carriers it is not capable of concentrating its overwhelming numbers rapidly anywhere ..6 fleets thousands miles apart .

    2-As fleet protection fighter the SH is massively inferior to Super Tomcat armedο»Ώ with 6 heavy Phoenix. The performance the Super Hornet gives up to make it a first class ground attack makes it unsuitable to fulfill the role vacated by the Tomcat. As a result, the US Navy lacks a real A2A fighter and will not have an equivalent aircraft to carry out the A2A role until F-35gets airborne. US Navy pilots were extremely impressed with the Rafales Flight Control System which gives better carrier landing performance than any other aircraft and its A2A capability vis-a-vis the SH . The result is that US NAVY could be outlclassed by enemies operating RAFALE or TYPHOON or SU-30 Type of 4 Gen aircrafts.

    Without an efficient A2A fighter,the carriers are vulnerable.

    I doubt the situation will get any better for USN in A2A warfare when the F-35C gets airborne. They only factor they can count on is numbers, no one CBG will actually go to real war alone. The US deployed six in the first Gulf War plus LHAs plus allied. On Allied Force they deployed two plus 1 LHD plus 3 allied. Not to mention land based USAF assets that will always be in some proximity.

    Otherwise I agree with everything you said. The Tomcat was never replaced IMHO, just substituted.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode 11.0 #2395028
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    seems that we have kind of a conflict of information there ? Because RIA stated that T-50-1 flew with a new engine and this statement by Ivanov reversed it
    http://www.rian.ru/defense_safety/20100129/206858518.html
    :confused::confused::confused:

    True, Feodorov had said that it flew with the new engines, and additionally that enough engines were built to support the test flight program.

    Someone is lying obviously… or ignores the facts… or both. But between the politician and the technocrat, I’d take the technocrat.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode 11.0 #2395038
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    – F 14 radar was more powerfull than Flanker one; not to mention the capabilkity;

    No, it was not.

    – HMD was not “unprecedented” the first operational HMS was fileded on US Navy F 4 Phantom 10 years before Su 27;

    No, it was not; the US Navy never adopted it, it was too primitive. The first US operational HMS was in Army’s Apaches. Check your sources.

    Still, even if I take your claim for granted, why no other later fighter did not adopt any HMS system untill JHMCS appeared? Tres bizzare, no?

    – I don’t know how on earth some posters think that the Russians invented the IRTS? The first IRST was on F 101 “Voodoo” in 1962. All the USAF fighters un til F 4 (F 101, F 102, F 106, F 4) and all the US Navy Fighters until F 14 (F8, F4, F14) had IRSTs. Tht’s ~ 10,000 of them iin total. F4 alone was built in over 5,500 exemplaries and all had IRST.

    Wrong again, the first IRST was adopted even before (again by US aircraft). But guess what? None was adopted on a serious scale. Even today, no US fighters have IRST systems, only in pod form. Strange, don’t you think?

    Check your sources for crying out loud, even the Japanese in WWII used primitive IRST systems in the last year of the war.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode 11.0 #2395086
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    Not kidding at all. The Fulcrum and Flanker were newer aircraft than the Tomcat and Eagle, but with far less capable avionics.

    The Flanker’s radar at least was far more powerful than anything the west had at the time. Needless to mention the unprecedented at that time HMS and IRST, not to be found in any (or just a handful) western airctaft? Both aircraft you mentioned were not made to be techno-savvy, just capable enough to win a war rather than maintain peace. If the mission computer’s processor of the Fulcrum was a few Mhz slower the the F-16, it would make no difference during a duel.

    BTW, this is a nice Raptor comparison pic, posted at paralay, not mentioned so far AFAIK, otherwise, plz accept my apologies.

    http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/2843444_com.jpg

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode 11.0 #2395404
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    ‘epilot’ means data link? or the plane can be flown with out pilot ie remotely? :confused:

    Nobody knows for sure and Sukhoi is not exactly eager to tell. My guess that it’s some sort of application to ease the pilot’s workload. Remote flight is higly unlikely IMHO.

    in reply to: 6th generation combat aircraft? #2395406
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    6th gen Boeing point of view:

    Boeing to leapfrog F-35 with 6th generation fighter?

    Boeing Plans Sixth Generation Fighter With Block 3 Super Hornet

    6th gen Russian point of view:

    http://research.scottrade.com/public/markets/news/news.asp?section=headlines&docKey=100-174n2983-1

    ^^^Link has died, but I saved the text, here it is:

    State research centre Professor Zhukovskiy Central Aero-hydrodynamic Institute is conducting research to develop the appearance of the sixth-generation combat aircraft.

    “The first small-scale scientific-research and exploration works on the sixth generation with state financing were already begun last year,” institute director Sergey Chernyshev told Interfax-AVN.

    According to him, the financing of these works was realised as part of the agreement with the Industry and Energy Ministry according to the Article “The development of the defence-industry system”.

    “In the long term, the size of the funding and the work in progress in this area will increase from year to year,” said Chernyshev.

    He did not rule out that in the future a special long-term programme for the creation of a prospective sixth-generation aircraft will be developed.

    Chernyshev said that the institute is also continuing work on the creation of a fifth-generation fighter aircraft. “To date, a huge amount of work has been done on aerodynamics, on flight dynamics, on research into the strength characteristics of the prospective aircraft system of frontal aviation,” he said.

    Source: Interfax-AVN military news agency website, Moscow, in Russian 1211 gmt 20 Jun 08

    BBC Mon FS1 FsuPol iz/sw

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode 11.0 #2395451
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    Makes a huge difference. Today, you can do more (better power, cooling, CPU processing, etc), for much less ($$)…

    Right, in theory anyway. In practice, the F-22, despite incorporating electronics architecture of the nineties, in 2010 and for many more years to come, is the most fearsome fighter worldwide. So it makes a difference, but not a huge one.

    For close range, the R-77 will lack a high turn rate via thrust vectoring nozzles, most likely.

    Sure, but it could be used, right? Somewhat like the french MICA IR. After all, it is AFAIK one of the most manuevrable medium range missiles, able to take out high G manuevering targets, thanks to its fins.

    http://www.ausairpower.net/R-77-Adder-Tail-Controls-1.jpg

    As for the side bays . . . here’s the speculation:

    (Rumor is, they may even have rear-firing missiles!)

    [*IMG]http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/6065/pakfasidebays.jpg%5B/IMG]

    I’ve seen this, I even seen one cutaway with a missile diagram on it, but I don’t know, I just don’t buy it… Which makes me think that some part of the central bays will be reserved for dogfighters…

    I think that US is more worried about the Chinese JXX than the Russian PAK-FA. Whith a GNP 4 times the Russian one, who is going to afford more 5th gen fighters?

    While this is largely true for the Chinese, the production line of the Raptor will be discontinued in the near future. When will the Chinese begin to field meaningful numbers of J-XXs? I’d wager no sooner than 2023-2025 for the first operational sqns with fully developed airframes.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode 11.0 #2395646
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    It’s a decade newer than the Raptor buddy, get over it.

    The Raptor was begun designing in 1987, PAK FA in 2002, that pretty much makes it older by 15 years, not 10. Not that it makes any difference.

    This is going to depend on the “side bay” capacity.

    I am pretty sure the middle bays can carry 4x R-77s each. (8 total)

    Then either 2 short range AAMs in the side bays each, or 1 each. (10 or 12).

    Is there any pic, diagram, or even speculation of the exact location of these side bays?

    Also, there will probably be an IR version of the R-77 for the PAK FA too, any estimation of how effective it might be in close range?

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    Called a ‘land’ version of the F-18, it really was nothing more than a tarted up Northrop YF-17 ‘Cobra’ airframe (it bore ONLY a passing resemblance to the later F/A-18). Northrop pitched and hunted high and low for a buyer, but after losing out to the YF-16, they really were lost until they teamed with McD-D to create the F/A-18 ‘Hornet’ for the USN.

    Here’s a shot of it (YF-17/F-18L) in French Armee de l’Air colours…

    Yes, it has been discussed sometimes in the past too. Here are the serials and some more pics from the museums…

    Nice pic though, thanks for sharing. It was actually painted in many potential customers’ colours, but I must say I was neither aware nor expecting AdA to be on the list…

    HEER is German Army, but I don’t recognise the insignia between the serial number.
    Czech?

    No, IAC – Irish Air Corps πŸ™‚

    in reply to: Turkey issues RfI for its new "domestic" AAW frigate #2008469
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    Sure it would give the… Bulgarians a big scare. πŸ˜€ Even the visit of Su27s and 30s at Tanagra had provoked unrest to the Bulgarians πŸ˜‰ For a moment they thought they ‘d actually may have had to face them over the Aegean. I think to recall that there were even diplomatic protests to us and to NATO from our neighbour.

    Ah, the memoirs you just stirred… OK brother, this one is specially dedicated for you, though you probably have already seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81Lcys6nYuw (It’s in Greek sorry, but the pictures speak for themselves 😎 )

    I agree, but in politics, “never” is a big word. It’s even bigger when there is a change in power. If France was to transform in fervent supporter of turkish entry in EU, it would be worth a frigate contract for example. Unlikely given the turkish mistrust and antipathy towards France, even with Sarkozy out of the way, but i always leave a window open in such cases.

    Back in the eighties, a Turk air force general visited France and he was granted the honour of a free flight with a Mirage 2K. Greece had just bought M2Ks, so everyone was eager to hear his thoughts. He said it was a nice bird but Turkey had by then got into the F-16 philosophy and infrastructure lines and could not possibly afford another type, though they would seriously consider it if Dassault would make a nice offer.

    So, that’s pretty much the only case the Turks will ever buy serious French hardware: Both the presence of a friendly government, as well a “nice offers”. While the first is not unlikely, the second is IMHO.

    It just can’t work. Recall also the case with ERYX missiles.

    in reply to: Turkey issues RfI for its new "domestic" AAW frigate #2008476
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    Yes, he reminded us about his grandfather in his speech in the greek parliament, he seems fond of him. But his policy towards Turkey has nothing to do with sentiment. It has to do with French interests and possibly with the way he sees the future of EU. If his grandfather’s memory was so influential to his politics, he ‘d probably offer to upgrade us for free or almost free the 20 non upgraded Mirage. Instead he wants 28 mln a piece. πŸ˜€ Or if he can’t convince Dassault, he could send 20 Rafale to help us to daily interceptions. Free trainning!

    His latest knickname in Greece is Salonikios as well as Sarkozidis though, and I doubt that’s a coincidence, rather it is representative of how seriously he is perceived.

    Anyway, even if Segolen actually rises to power, I doubt that France will ever, ever, get involved to any serious arms deal with Turkey, so many reasons for that. Which in turn indeed leaves only German and American options available. But the Turks want to design and build the ship themselves, so the foreigners’ involvement will probably be restricted to subsystems alone.

    Even so, I think they are overoptimistic, or don’t seriously expect to introduce them in service any time sooner than 15 years timeframe. They even asked information for laser based weapons, as if they’re going to fight a Klingon mothership…

    how’s Greco-Russian relations these days? it’d be nice to see a pak-fa in HAF colors πŸ˜‰ it’d give the Bulgarians a big scare!

    As bad as it gets, there is even word that the deal for 415 BMP-3 IFVs will be canceled. Current PM is a well known american fanboy, unlike his father.

    in reply to: Missile defense test fails #1806643
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    150 million dollars in the water. Not bad, after all these tons of (otherwise justified) mocking for the Bulava’s failures.

    More: US anti-missile test of ‘Iran or N Korea’ attack fails (BBC)

    UPDATE 1-US missile test mimicking Iran strike fails (Reuters)

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode 11.0 #2395953
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    Ah, there we go again.
    If US used 15 years on the Raptor. It automaticly means Russia must use the same.

    No, it doesn’t mean that, neither automatically nor necessarily, but it’s the only credible standpoint for a “fifth gen stealth fighter” available. If you ask me, I believe the Russian can complete the PAK FA’s development sooner, but that’s only if everything goes well and no problems arise. Will it be the case? Maybe, maybe not. Probably not, most development project these days face too many difficulties…

    F-22A and T-50 are not compareble on many accounts.
    Heck, Russkies can push the T-50 into service with an engine doing 15+ if there are heavy delays on that designatated new engine core.

    Thanks

    That still doesn’t change the time figure though. They have to finish with the development, set up an assemply line, receive their first sqn, learn how to fly the fighters and then *perhaps* make some available for international excercises, which I doubt they will. The Indians will take even more time than that. The T-10 first flew in 1977 and the Indians’ first visit to red flag was in 2008, 30 years later and the Indians received their first MKIs in the nineties. So yes, at least half of that, 15 years is the most optimistic we can possibly hope for seeing some PAK FAs at Red Flag.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode 11.0 #2396006
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    Why must it take the T-50, 15 years to enter service?

    Thanks

    It mustn’t; But it’s a by all means reasonable figure. It took USAF 15 years to induct its first operational raptor sqn in service, and still the raptor is not fully integrated.

    Moreover, we are talking about Indian PAK-FAs; India would probably receive its own frames later on, given the extensive modifications they want to introduce. Finally, they wouldn’t send those aircraft to Red Flag right away. They would need to learn how to fly them first, so as not to get too embarrased. Perhaps the possibility of US Raptors going to India for joint excercises is much more likely.

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