BAE is out of the equation (marketing services) for six years now… They dont have nothing to do with any of the Gripen offers that are going round the world, and that has been for quite some time. Think Thailand, there were no British chaps there and the Typhoon wasnt offered.
BAE is not only part of rhe Eurofighter consortium, but is also the only Tier 1 partner in the JSF team.
Do bother to take a look to the synthesis of Saab’s promotional team and you will have your answers as to whether BAE is out of the equation or not.
given that the Russian have not yet issued not a single genuine picture, one could speculate that even firefox 5 Mach thought controlled (but only in Russian :p ) fighter might be the case with no possible deniability for the time being.
What was the name of the missile that was cancelled in favour of the Bulava?
Perhaps this is the right place to remind everyone that here at the Aeroseum Gothenburg is probably the only place in the world where you can climb into the cockpits of a Viggen and a Draken. I must confess that I am a guide in the Aeroseum, and a PM to me could well result in a personal guided tour.
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Their is one Draken with a cockpit open to the public at flygvapen museum at lingoping, where there are also a few Viggens, four I think, one dual-seater, though none of them with an open cockpit.
If it turns out to be an Su-27 with canted tail, or Rafale (lol) – I will quite possibly cry.
…better be prepared then!

HAI flying: 3-year deal signed with Saudi Arabia
Hellenic Aerospace Industry (HAI) has signed a three-year contract with Saudi Arabia’s Defense Ministry to repair and maintain C-130 aircraft engines in a deal worth 43 million dollars (29.8 million euros).
As part of efforts to strike up business abroad, state-owned HAI took part in the international tender in cooperation with Saudi Arabian company Middle East Propulsion Company (MEPC).
HAI managing director Tassos Philippakos said that “the contract lays the foundation for an important strategic cooperation with MEPC and Saudi Arabia’s armed forces, while at the same time it is an example of HAI’s successful efforts to expand abroad.”
The deal is seen as an important step for the Greek company in its bid to secure a market share in Saudi Arabia and the broader region.
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_economy_0_19/01/2010_114134
And those industry sources are?
The maximum range refers to launch under ideal conditions, aka high altitude, head on, mostly. Almost NEVER the case. The maximum useful range is less than half the maker’s stated. Nobody will fire his missile at their maximum range, if they want any chance of hitting their target. Whatever missile that is.
Either way, it doesn’t really matter if AIM-120 has half, equal or double the range of MICA. The AIM-120 is a far better choice not because of range but mostly because it has been evolving since the late eighties, it has been used in combat, it has been improved because of that, it’s compatible with a wide range of western fighters, it keeps evolving/improving and of course it is far cheaper. What about MICA? Its only advantage is not beeing american, but on the other hand the Taiwanese might disagree…
Another report says the two pilots were able to eject and were being treated for injuries.
http://swedishwire.com/nordic/2489-finnish-fighter-jet-crashed-in-a-forest
The important difference is that the jet is actually an F-18D Hornet rather than a Hawk trainer. Most stories talk about a Hornet anyway.
http://yle.fi/uutiset/teksti/news/2010/01/fighter_jet_crashes_in_forest_1384722.html?origin=rss
Given the opportunity, I’m posting a recent relative story about a rebuilt F-18D. It’s a press release, so here’s all of it. Highly interesting:
Finnish, F/A-18 IPT Collaborate to Achieve Results
NAVAL AIR SYSTEMS COMMAND, PATUXENT RIVER, Md. — The F/A-18 and EA-18G program office Finnish Integrated Product Team (IPT) visited Finland in September to participate in the roll out of the Finnish Air Force’s one-of-a kind twin-seat F/A-18 D aircraft.
Also known as the “Frankenplane,” the modified F/A-18D HN-468 Hornet, converted from a single-seat F/A-18C aircraft, was unveiled to representatives from the Finnish government, U.S. government and industry partners responsible for building the aircraft.
The Finnish Parliament approved funding for the modification in November 2005, with the repair/modification order being submitted to Patria Aviation 23 Dec. 2005. The roll-out of the aircraft occurred in September 2009, with a modification time of 3.5 years.The idea of building the modified aircraft came about after two Finnish F/A-18 aircraft collided during a flight exercise in November 2001. While one aircraft crashed and the pilot ejected safely, the other Hornet was able to land with one engine. However, that aircraft’s front fuselage was damaged beyond repair. After a long search, a compatible front fuselage from a twin-seat F/A-18 B model aircraft was found in Canada and was built with the remaining F/A-18 aircraft that was salvageable.
“Like all the projects, this needed a vision. In this case, the vision was transferred to the great end product, the F-18 D-model aircraft from the combination of F-18 B/C/D-model design and parts,” said Petri Korhonen, former Finnish Air Force HN-468 “Frankenplane” project manager. “The dedication of the project partners was outstanding and exceeded all our expectations.”
The primary partners of the project were the Finnish Air Force, the U.S. Navy, the Finnish government’s partner Patria, the Boeing Company and Canadian Forces.
“The real magic came into this project via direct labor of individual people from all of the partners. These people worked hard for this vision and showed their professional skills and dedication right from the beginning of this project. These people created something special and showed that anything is possible in our F-18 community when there is a will present,” Korhonen said
The Finnish Air Force will now use the modified aircraft for training.
The “Frankenplane” roll out followed a visit by Finnish Air Force officials to NAVAIR. During the visit, Finnish Air Force Maj. Gen. Jarmo (Charles) Lindberg presented a plaque of appreciation embedded with a pair of Finnish pilot’s wings to NAVAIR’s Finland IPT team.
“The Hornet is the main tool of the Finnish Air Force. We are extremely grateful for the cooperation of NAVAIR, PMA265 and the Finland IPT team,” Lindberg said.
Finland’s air force has 63 Hornets in its fleet, including 56 single-seat “C” models and seven “D” dual-seat models.
“It is especially gratifying for the Finland F/A-18 team that General Lindberg came here to visit us and present us with the plaque as a thank-you for all the good work the team has done,” said Bill McDonald, F/A-18 Finland program manager. General Lindberg has been a joy to work with. We look forward to working with his team for continued success in the future,”
As a result of letters of offer and acceptance worth almost $600 million for a mid-life upgrade, the Finnish Air Force’s F/A-18s will be upgraded similar to the Navy’s latest C and D model aircraft.
“Looking back on where we started to where we are now, we had a very good Hornet. But it’s going to be a lot better,” Lindberg said.
Some time in the nineties, Russia was in need of cash, while the US Navy was concerned about the spread of the latest ex-soviet antiship missiles in potential rogue states, like China. Not being able to simulate the capabilities of those latest missiles, they offered the Russian to buy a few, and surprisingly they accepted. I had read a report stating a buy of up to 100 missiles. The idea was “If you can’t simulate the threat, buy the threat”.
In this pic, the crew is an American high ranking naval officer as pilot, while the RWO is a Russian officer. The Phantom however is a QF-4…
—>U.S. Navy F-4 Phantom firing a Zvezda Ma-31 target cruise missile during a recent test. Photo by Boeing/McDonnell Douglas.
sorry, no higher rez.
Info: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=20607
http://70.85.195.205/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=20608
I undigged the official press release by then McDonnel Douglas:
…”The success of this test flight proves that a Russian missile can be easily and successfully modified for use in the United States as a nonlethal target,” said John Reilly, McDonnell Douglas MA-31 program manager. “Our team worked long and hard to prove to the world that Russian American military-industrial cooperation is a reality in the post-Cold War era. :D:D:D Now we are hoping to build on this foundation.”…
Finnish hawk trainer crashes, pilot safe.
Air Force Hawk jet fighter-trainer crashes, pilot ejects to safety
The pilot ejected to safety as a Finnish Air Force Hawk jet fighter-trainer came down in woodland near the Kruunupyy airfield late Thursday evening.
The pilot was taken to hospital, but according to preliminary information his injuries are not serious.
Bourne trilogy?
It’s very good too, in its own way, but it’s a pure spy series of films. We don’t see any major military hardware or anything, only small arms at best. Bond is different in this sense and unique alongside Clancy’s Ryan.
Numerous examples so far, on “The Living Daylights” the defector general Koskov is retrieved by being placed on the back seat of dual seat trainer Harrier aircraft (VERY impressive at that time), on numerous occasions he is seen in submarines (the spy who loved me, the world is not enough etc), on Thunderball we see beautiful Avro Vulcans, on Goldeneye he drives a T-72 tank, on Octopussy he destroys a prototype radar on a fighter aircraft inside a latin american airforce hangar, and of course, on Goldeneye again, it was the first time we saw descent-looking MiG-29 Fulcrums… 🙂
Bourne is lost and tries to find out who he is. No comparison whatsoever. Nice films, but nothing like JB.
Well, I don’t know, you tell me.. 🙂
Well, to be frank, I don’t know either. But the effect was achieved nonetheless. People (including myself) indeed saw the frame and thought how well preserved it is.
BTW, it is typical prior to an exhibition airmen and/or even volunteers to spent lots, lots of manhours polishing and maintaing the exhibits just to look nice. While I served my time I had the honor to supervise (as an NCO) the polishing with silicone of two legacy M47 tanks at the entrance of the base prior to a military celebration.
Now, this MiG was not an exhibit but yet… it was visible. Don’t ask me why though.
10kt is 10kt. :rolleyes:
I don’t mean to interfere, but I think the term kt refers only to blast power/radius of the shock wave. But a nuclear bomb’s destructive power is made up of the shock wave (primarily, some 30% IIRC), heat emission (another 30%) and radiation fallout (20%). In this sense, the H bomb is indeed more destructive. I may be wrong though, someone could perhaps confirm?
Sounds like nonsense to me. Who would spend manhours polishing an aircraft so that one or two spotters can take few blurred pics and see that the bird is clean? :confused: What’s the purpose of that?
Good question. I mean think about it. Why on earth would someone do all those weird things so that someone else in a forum far, far away could comment on how remarkably well kept it looks??! Heavens, why? :confused: :dev2: 😀