He was challenged by armed police and tried to escape.

From what I’ve seen here, the man was actually subdued and THEN shoot.

I don’t know how Scotland Yard does things, but here when a suspect is subdued, kicking or hitting him is a major no no, let alone pumping 5 bullets into him.

Why is everyone being so quick to “shoot down” the police after they said he was unconnected to the Bombing Attacks?

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They chased him down, kicked him down, held him down, and killed him with 5 shots to the head and torso.

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Here we go: AFM, August 2004, page 10, Overhaul of SCG aircraft in Russia. The article goes on to talk of discussions about a possible MiG-29 refurbishment/overhaul not an upgrade. That being said I’d agree with you that scrapping the MiG-29 and going for a full blown MiG-21 upgrade, as opposed to a mere MiG-29 overhaul, sounds more sensible. Just as an example, the MiG-21 Lancer seems to be working reasonably well for Romania.

The way RSK Mig handled the Bulgarian contract was probably noted in Belgrade. Even still, more to the point the relatively small Serb Mig-29 fleet probably wouldn’t cut it. Why put one’s eggs into the same, small basket when there are the more numerous Mig-21’s which can be upgraded (a la Lancer) and provide reasonable detterent numbers as well as airframes for spares etc?

Bla bla bla F-16’s from Turkey, bla bla bla Leopard 2’s from Germany. Bla bla bla.

If any of you want to buy some parts of the soon to be “dominant power in the region”, think fast as the fire sale is on.

We surely do not wanna go that far.. It’s not worth the funds you’d have to cover, looking at your arguments, believe me. Try it with Foxalpha…

Hey. Leave the smartarseness somewhere else and next time post the relevant copyright information when you post a picture.

I still do NOT think Greece needs any new fighters, Mirages and F-16s for now will be enough.

Yes for now the new orders of F-16’s and Mirage’s are indeed enough to maintain a credible air defence. But….

In around 2010 timeframe, yes there will be a lot of fighter to be replaced, Mirage F1s, F-4s, A-7s and WHATEVER.

The F1 is already history for over 3 years now. But, yes, the A-7’s and F-4’s will need to be withdrawn by 2010-2012. A replacement needs to be arriving by then. This is what this competition is for. The aircraft which will replace these machines. Don’t look for a decion until at least 2007-2008, especially considering the coming austerity measures. A reasonable in service date of 4-5 years later.

I would right now focus on SAMs and such.

Greece has recently completed delivery of PAC-3’s and Tor-M1’s, and is in the process of receving it’s HUMMER mounted ASRAD systems. This as well as the already upgraded HAWK missiles.

Now imagine Greece sticking a S-400 battery, on Samothraki, Khios and Rhodes Islands, and there you have virtually a SAM shield to protect whole of Greece.

There are Patriots and SA-8’s in the Aegean and S-300’s ‘somewhere’ on Crete.

I also feel that Greece needs some tankers and such, it may not be able to protect Cyprus well enough with it’s shorter ranged M2Ks and F-16s well enough

Yes the EPA has a longstanding requirement for tankers. However the ‘humped’ BLK52+’s are based on Crete with units detached to Kastelli on eastern Crete. So the situation for longer range ops over and near Cyprus is somewhat better.

Due to the recent budget issues with the EU, I wouldn’t expect any choice before about 2008.

Personally, Rafale all the way!

I’m sorry but $600 million is too much to pay for so few units.