The NZPA site is running this:
Les Munro, 87, of Tauranga is the only surviving pilot from the 1943 Dam Buster Raid on dams in the Ruhr Valley in the industrial heartland of Germany, He said Kiwi film maker Peter Jackson needs to get the casting and the facts right for his $80 million movie remake of the famous World War 2 raid, Tauranga, New Zealand, Friday, September 01, 2006. Credit: NZPA/John Peterson.
I think we have a confirmed on ‘Gibbo’ There’s more on him in “Bader, then man and his Men” by Micheal G Burns and there’s a photograph p44 of Dilip Sarkar’s “Bader’s Tangmere Spitfires” which is not great but it clearly shows the “elderley look” and the ‘tache. Still don’t know what became of him after the home run.
Thanks everyone .. now on to the next..
and seated second from right (with pipe) is probably “Woody” Woodall, the Tangmere Controller. An interesting image! Andy Saunders
Don’t wish to be pedantic but that’s Woodhall with an ‘h’
Baz – how’s this? Further to the above. How about Gibbs? In Flying Start ‘Cocky’ Dundas (p71) tells much the same story as JEJ about “the other Flight Commander at that time was a man named Gibbs , a regular officer and considerably older than the rest. …’Gibbo’ was a pilot of exceptional skills. particularly at aerobatics..” then after describing the inverted dive and pancake Dundas says “He then took to his heels and never stopped running until he reached the Spanish border and safety” So how old was Gibbs and what became of him?
Hi again Basv,
Bit disappointing that.. every time we get close, the cloudbase lowers. “Cocky” Dundas called Macfie “very reserved” but commented on his youth and fine flying. (He was born 1920 according to Hans Houterman on his Unit Histories page ) . Hans was unable to account for him between 1941 and ’46 so he maybe was in POW camp all that time. So back to square one: Who was the king of aerobatics at Tangmere. I was intending to ask Tom Fitzgerald who was there at the time I think but made my run too late alas.
Cheers
Go back a few lines from the second quote in Wing Leader, Basv. JEJ names Macfie there -maybe because of his “pedantic” nature he gave the impression of age?
I was beginning to think I was on the wrong forum. The traditional Naval officers arguement was defined as “starting with a definite statement, followed by a flat contradiction and usually ending in personal abuse”.
Excellent nom de guerre Dilip and good to see your reasoned summary of events covering all that work. I’m waiting for the documentary with some trepidation.
I think the gentleman concerned might have been Flt Lt Colin Macfie who was shot down over france 5/7/41.
Thank you and well done Bazv, you’re absolutely right! – it was further into “Wing Leader” than I had looked – after the forced landing you refer to Macfie escaped and eventually walked most of the way home!
Remeber the Lancastria? That’s what happens without air superiority in June 1940.
But see how the Bader “magic” still works even at this distance – the topic certainly got a few of us going! And those prices on Ebay? I’ve got a handwritten letter from him, can I give up my day job?
Billy Burton was reputedly a great pilot but my photos show no moustache at Tangmere. The records I have found so far say the new flight commanders were Charles Bush and Denis Crowley-Milling with 610 Squadron and Lt Charles Arthur with 145 Squadron.
From Halls account of the incident, the Hurricane pilot did not survive and neither did the two German pilots. Related to this was the occasion on 20 march 1942 when Douggie Leggo (249 Squadron) had his parachute collapsed by a 109 which had already strafed him. He died too. (Lord David Douglas-Hamilton described the event in Blackwoods Magazine originally )
For those of us who live outside the UK and won’t see the programme, please post here afterwards who the culprit really was. My money is on the butler…
I’m with Dave on this, in fact if anyone can make or get me a legitimate copy (for research purposes only of course) of the programme I’d be most grateful – send me a PM and we’ll sort out the postage. The producer promised to send me notice and a copy but as I haven’t heard I suspect I’ll have to go the long way round.
[QUOTE= Can you recommend any books about Bader?
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Allison : Apart from the classic “Reach for the Sky” by Paul Brickhill (1956), there is “Flying Colours” by Laddie Lucas (1981), “Douglas Bader” by Robert Jackson (1983) and the two more recent Dilip Sarkar Books “Bader’s Tangmere Spitfires” and “Bader’s Duxford Fighters” (1997). One of my favourite books featuring Bader is Johnnie Johnson’s “Wing Leader” which has a lot about how the pilots regarded Bader during the war. I really like the books written during or immediately after the war as they tend to be first-person if a little gung ho. But then I also like the later often more-truthful and evaluative tomes. Bader himself was credited with writing “Fight for the Sky”
Cheers
Fair comments JDK. I met Douglas Bader twice, once as an 18-year-old visiting London and after dinner at his place in Petersham Mews, I had to catch a train back home. Time was short so he drove the wrong side of a traffic island to save a few seconds and said “You know what rules are for old boy..” It was very exciting to a lad from the colonies as you can imagine , he was a superb host and raconteur and he drove me down to Duxford to stay with Johnnie Johnson (AVM?) a few days later… (All this because my Dad served with him.)
The second time, he was visiting Christchurch NZ and he had me invited to a celebration luncheon at the Brevet Club. He ignored all the top dignitaries present, stomped to the back of the crowd and dragged me up to the top table. “This lad sits next to me, you’ll have to move,” and he had the whole seating reshuffled. As you can imagine, there were feathers well ruffled and while acutely embarrassed I was his friend forever. To me those episodes were the epitome of the man and I can well appreciate both the supporters and detractors.