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January 19, 2004 at 2:06 am in reply to: 707 rolling #720406

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Here’s a brief explaination of the background of Tex Johnston’s roll in the Dash 80 in 1955 in Seattle.

http://www.super70s.com/Super70s/Tech/Aviation/Aircraft/Dash80.asp

January 19, 2004 at 2:04 am in reply to: 707 rolling #720409

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Awesome video, I’ve been looking for that for quite a while but have never been able to locate it. Thanks for sharing.

Originally posted by steve rowell
I have that 707 roll on video, and they interview Tex Johnson who calls it a Shondell

Shondell? Most likely he said Chandelle which is a 180 degree maximum performance turn.

A reference to a chandelle wouldn’t have been regarding his rolling of the Dash 80. If it was, it would have been in error but I doubt an aviator such as Tex Johnston would have done so.

The pilot was Boeing’s chief test pilot Tex Johnson and that type of inverted roll is called a Shondell

Inverted roll? Nope, nothing more than your standard barrel roll/aileron roll.

January 17, 2004 at 4:27 pm in reply to: Oops!! #723129

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You know, it probably was a DC-8. 🙂

January 17, 2004 at 6:10 am in reply to: Oops!! #724277

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Years ago United landed a 707 at the nearby Ohio State University Airport rather than the Port Columbus Airport. They look similar from the air and are only seperated by a few miles so I guess to an unfamiliar pilot the mistake could be made. United had to strip the aircraft completely down and bring in a special crew to get the large 707 out of the much smaller airport. Oops. 🙂

The flight school has plenty of large pictures of the pilot error hanging on its walls.

January 17, 2004 at 6:06 am in reply to: A smokey start on a United 757 #724280

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Originally posted by wannabe pilot
My dad was telling me a while ago, how he had just towed an Easyjet out of the hangar, and a similar thing happened! It had been sitting in the hangar for some while, and the pilots had injected lots of fuel into the engine to get it started. It wouldn’t start, so he carried on injecting more and more fuel (sounds a bit stupid to me, maybe a trainee pilot :confused: ) but then when it did eventually start, there were 40ft flames coming out the back of the engine! It left scorch marks up half of the plane, and the fire brigade had to be called incase anything worse happened. Fortunately, the engines were shut down and nothing else caught alight, but back into the hangar the plane went, I bet Easyjet weren’t very happy!

It’s a fairly common sight with the EMB-145 engines (Allison/RR) to get a flash/bang with the light off. When the fuel is introduced there is occasionally a delay between the fuel entering the engine and when it finally lights off. Usually it happens just long enough for you to announce “No light off on #2” before it finally does ignite. Even up front you can hear the muffled bang of the pool of fuel being burned. As wysisyg stated, this scenerio is more common with a tailwind.

It turns out that we have 2 different powered ignitors on our engines. 1 is a 2 Joule and the other is a 4 Joule (those numbers might be off). During sequencial engine starts the engine control will alternate between ignitor system 1 and 2. Since one of the 2 systems is more powerful than the other you’ll end up getting less “hung” starts on one system than you will with the other. The new procedure is to turn on both ignition systems prior to starting to insure that the more powerful of the 2 systems is going to be used for light off.

In addition to the smokey starts on the EMB-145, I’ve also seen a good 15 foot flame shoot out of the back as a result as well. Very cool looking but not good for the engines.

January 16, 2004 at 6:12 pm in reply to: A smokey start on a United 757 #725357

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Now that I’m back home it’s a heat wave at -8C. 🙂

Thanks to lake effect snow we’ve been under constant assault from snow. De-icing is once again back in effect.

January 14, 2004 at 5:55 pm in reply to: us airways folded? !!!!! #728467

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I don’t know enough of their operation to say what will be the first to go if the hammer falls. The PHL and PIT hub closures are the only 2 that I’ve heard floating around the rumor mill. Shuttle? Could be, US Airways has that big order for the EMB-170’s going to mainline that would easily replace the Shuttle operation on the east coast.

Will they survive? A lot more that United will IMHO. US Airways was quick to file for bankrupcy and start cutting costs while United did little to alter their operations and are still probably guilty of not doing enough even now. If US Airways cuts early into their operation then they’ll survive with more than if they draw it out, burn more and more money with the hope of saving one or two more divisions. United on the other hand should have started cutting operations a long time ago. They have way too many bases which thins out their operations. Not to mention that nearly everyone of their bases ranks among the most expensive to operate out of in the nation.

January 14, 2004 at 5:24 pm in reply to: us airways folded? !!!!! #728495

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Oops. What I meant was there is a chance that USAirways would/could pull out of PHL as well (too) but not to imply that both PHL and PIT would be liquidated. I guess there is a due date on a loan that they have to pay up on real soon. If they don’t, they start liquidating.

January 14, 2004 at 3:14 pm in reply to: us airways folded? !!!!! #728925

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Of course Southwest Airlines has recently moved into PHL putting some hugh pressure on US Airways. There is also the chance that they would cut their losses and pull out of there too. I wouldn’t mind, I prefer the PIT terminal. 🙂

January 8, 2004 at 10:54 pm in reply to: Advice please #397585

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Honestly I didn’t know anything about being a pilot when I took my first lesson. I had flown a 1 or 2 times a year for most of my life up to that point but had never been in a small airplane. I never knew anyone who had become a pilot. I didn’t even know what a C152 was until about 1 week before that first flight.

I started my training with a lot of other people who were a lot better prepared for the start of training. They had been flying GA aircraft prior or at close friends who were already pilots. Then there was me. In my initial class of 35-40 students there are only 5 of us left in aviation. Of those 5 I was the first to finish my certificates and even get a job flying. It has a lot more to do with desire than prior knowledge. The motivated succeed.

If it’s something that you really want then it will probably come easier to you than for others. Best of luck!

January 8, 2004 at 10:44 pm in reply to: American Airlines puts a stop to the JetBlue LCC #735272

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Originally posted by greekdude1
Turns out Legend didn’t last very long, but I don’t think it was because of stiff competetion from AA. I think their idea just wasn’t feasible at the time. Jetblue, on the other hand, is lasting just fine.

I think the AA pressure had a lot to do with it. During that same time frame Midwest Express airlines was running the same service out of Milwaukee in DC-9’s. MKE is a much smaller market than Dallas and they are still going strong. The biggest advantage to their operation is a lack of a direct competitor. AA wanted to make sure that the Legend startup didn’t have the liberty of no competition.

There is nothing wrong with such direct competitive tactics in the airlines. Airlines have too much invested in equipment and personnel to let someone come in and squeeze them out of even 1 passenger unopposed. Everyone wants to see growth and change but they balk at the idea if the see it at the expense of someone else. Well, growth is always at the expense of someone else. Actually even an airline that isn’t growing but isn’t shrinking is probably defending their marketshare ruthlessly at the expense of others to maintain status quo. It’s a dog eat dog world and Jetblue is the next dog.

January 8, 2004 at 3:57 pm in reply to: American Airlines puts a stop to the JetBlue LCC #735446

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I guess hub is a poor word choice as AMR doesn’t consider their operations in NYC a hub. But, AMR does have large operations out of LGA and JFK which compete directly against JetBlue.

January 8, 2004 at 3:13 pm in reply to: American Airlines puts a stop to the JetBlue LCC #735453

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Delta has been successful to killing the JetBlue threat out of Atlanta. Why not AA out of their hubs?

January 7, 2004 at 5:10 am in reply to: Airline Warning Over Sky Marshalls #736524

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Originally posted by Jeanske_SN
Pfuh! This makes NO sense, Do you think there are sky marshalls on delta and continental to ny from bru? NOOOOO! So the next thing the terrorist is gonna do is find an airline that doesnt have this! It’s good that TC resists against this!
If ya put armed men on an aircraft, then do it everywhere, not random!

Who says that there aren’t air marshalls on US international flights?

January 7, 2004 at 5:08 am in reply to: In House pilots #736527

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Originally posted by wysiwyg
Thanks WD. In the UK and Europe all Captains and FOs must be type rated.

In the US, if an FO is not type rated what training will they have taken that is type specific (ground and sim) before commencing line training?

The training is the same minus one or 2 elements. The only difference for the captain type ride and first officer checkride for the EMB-145 is the captain has to demonstrate a no-flap landing in the sim. Not much of a difference. Also because it’s not a type ride, some forgiveness can be given if the FO messes up a manuever during the ride.

Why not type the First Officers? Beats me. I guess it doesn’t really matter. I won’t lose sleep over it.
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