Whiskey DeltaWell we couldn’t really help them since they were dieing from diseases that the Europeans were immune to for centuries. It’s tough to help someone when you don’t have any experiece dealing with yourself.
I learned last week though that the Native Americans gave sifilis the Europeans. It wasn’t found in Europe and the Native Americans had an immunity to it’s more lethal effects. They harbored it unknownly until their European partners starting showing some ill effects. Oops. 🙂
It’s also important to note that the land expansion in the US wasn’t all done by wiping out the Indians. Quite a lot was done through mutual agreements or just traded away for goods not to mention those that blended into the Settler’s culture because they wanted to. A majority of what you’re focusing on was only a small fraction of the story. A couple rouge tribes took to what would be considered terrorism today to strike at the settlers. These tribes though also had a history of pushing around their neighboring tribes even before the Europeans came in. The indians fight them back and it’s self defense, the settlers fight back and it’s considered Genoside.
Also why is everyone coming down on the US about this? What about the French and the Canadian tribes? I don’t remember seeing any of those still existing there after their colonization? What about the Spanish and the Central American tribes? Again, those were long gone before American was even on the map.
The US has a thriving Native American culture now both on and off reservations (espeically now with the boom of casinos). I don’t remember seeing any in any other country in North America.
Whiskey DeltaOriginally posted by EGNM
do they have comic relief in Belgium?
Jean-Claude Van Damme movies. 😀
Whiskey DeltaF-86: I’ve seen it fly a few times in the last few years. Just beautiful
Vulcan: The second airshow I ever went to I saw one fly. It stopped by the Cleveland airshow on it’s way home from the Falklands. I was awestruck by the size and shape.
Whiskey DeltaOriginally posted by mixtec
Yeah, like Whiskey Delta who thinks he can recover from a full stall within a couple a hundred of altitude. Do us a favor Whiskey, have someone videotape you doing a full stall with only 500 ft of altitude. And if you do, alls I can say is will miss your presence here.
Do you actually read the posts? Please quote me the next time you refer to me making such a bold statement.
Since you are on this side of the pond I’m sure you’ve read the Practical Test standards to earn your Private Pilot Certificate so I don’t need to tell you that you have to demonstrate a full stall with a recovery +/- 500 feet. So in the process of earning your certificate you have to due just as you said and recover a full stall within 500 feet. My experience with light GA aircraft is that they can be fully recovered within 150-200 feet easily. Not to say this is a good excuse to stall close to the ground but it does show that if you’re trained for it and something should happen that you can do more than just kiss your butt goodbye, you can actually recover and save yourself.
Seriously what aviation cave do you live in that is so sheltered from training environment? I’ve never run across so many folks that are so afraid of a little spin/upset training. Take an airplane out and give it some good stalls in different attitudes and see what really happens. Don’t just sit there and ramble on about the cowboys of the sky who aren’t just flying around straight and level.
I find your frequent comments Mixtec to be based on uneducated/novice pilot experience that seems to be more driven by fear of the unknown than ignorance. Heck, are you even a pilot? If it scares you that much than stay out of the sky. Flying isn’t a novelty and can’t be treated as such. Without at least exposing yourself to the full range of flight possiblities for your catagory of aircraft your not only putting yourself in danger but those that fly with and around you, as well as those on the ground below you.
And as for stalls happening only at low altitudes I’ve come darn near stalling at 22,000′ feet. Within <5 seconds we lost over 100 knots and had rapid up and down drafts from 500 to 3000 feet per minute. The stick shaker activated and everything all thanks to severe clear air turbulance. Thank goodness the pilots had spent some training for unexpected flight attitudes and other situations.
Whiskey DeltaOriginally posted by tenthije
What is going to happen with the other 10. If Raytheon scraps the 40 they own, am I right to assume that they will no longer support the 10 still flying?
I don’t know the exact length of time but I believe that a manufacturer still has to supply parts for a period of time. The exception would be if the company went out of business like Fairchild/Dornier and the Do328. The carriers flying those aircraft are desperately searching for parts at times.
Whiskey DeltaOriginally posted by weasel
essentially the aircraft is out of control during the manouvre and you are never 100% certain that the aircraft is going to recover.
Out of control would imply that the pilot had no ability to control the spin or recover. I’ve been able to recover an aircraft from every stage of a spin for the beginning, developing and the fully developed. Saying you are out of control in a spin is like saying you’re out of control in a stall. Isn’t a spin just a rotating stall?
I believe that there probably have been more pilots killed practicing spinning than were saved by the training.
And someone else bring up this assumption. In the 7 years I’ve been in aviation I’ve never heard/read/seen an accident resulting from spin training. Yet, in that same amount of time we’ve seen countless accidents that were from unintentional spins.
This type of talk in airport briefing rooms is what breeds the fallacy that the safest pilot is the one that doesn’t train for the unexpected but just assumes he can avoid it.
I think a good point to make is that pilots with aerobatic training aren’t seen spinning into the ground. Why is that? They have training that keeps them safe. Why not get some of that training for even the hobby pilot?
Whiskey DeltaHey I instructed at a place like that too! 🙂 It made me appriciate the more modern GA designs even more. The worst was the Cessna 175. What a hunk of junk.
Whiskey DeltaIt would be a great idea to have a General Aviation museum though and put an example of this in there.
Whiskey DeltaOriginally posted by KabirT
Plus 717 is not going as well as Boeing would want……it is the lowest selling aircraft in Boeings history, anyway bringing out a referbished MD model wasent very bright on Boeings part.
Actually the 717 was an airplane that Boeing nevered wanted since it was designed by MD. They just inherited the baggage when they bought them out. Boeing had to fullfil orders already in place so they had to maintain the production line. I’m suprised that it didn’t find a larger nitch some where, I hear its a great plane to fly and fly on.
The biggest market change in the last 10 years and at least for the next 10 years is the 50-100 seat aircraft. Neither Boeing or Airbus decided to enter that arena leaving it to 2 unknowns in the commerical aviation industry to meet those needs. Both Canadair and Embraer gambled by putting these aircraft out there and they hit it big. Nearly every airline in the US is deferring Boeing and Airbus aircraft deliveries while putting in orders for the ERJ or CRJ’s.
I think both Airbus and Boeing are going to see their orders slow here and any new aircraft will be only to replace aging fleets not grow them. At my company we’re taking 3 new ERJ’s a month and have been doing that for 3+ years while our parent company has taken in less than 20 737/767’s in that same time. I bet Boeing and Airbus are kicking themselves now.
Whiskey DeltaI just want to be paid what I feel I’m worth with the best work rules in the industry. I don’t care how many seats I have behind me or the color of the airplanes skin. The few is still the same from the front not matter what. I would like to fly something that I can stand up in though so it would have to be perhaps the new EMB-170 or larger.
Other than an airline career I would love to teach landings in a Stearman out of a grass strip in my backyard. Easy commute, fun airplane, and I would get to instruct again. 🙂
Whiskey DeltaNice pictures. Are they digital or film? and what kind of equipment and zoom do you use to get in so close?
Whiskey DeltaOne thing I did learn at the airshow was they mentioned that the F-117 in the USAF museum had all the secret materials removed from it and is cosmetically made up to look like the real thing. I never knew that but it makes sense. When they first brought the F-117 to the museum they had it roped off with an armed guard next to it. 6 months later they had removed both the guard and the ropes. The funny thing was that the leading edges had been turned white by all the hands rubbing the surface removing the paint. I thought at the time that it was strange that an airplane that was designed to fly through weather could have it’s protective coating rubbed off in such a short time. It seems that we were all dupped and it wasn’t the real surface.
Whiskey DeltaUnder the Your Reply box you’ll see the Attach File selector. Press the Browse… button, locate the file on your harddrive and press the Open button. When you hit the Submit Reply button it’ll upload your picture with your message. Hope that helps.
Whiskey DeltaFat Albert and the impressive JATO takeoff.
Whiskey DeltaBy the 3rd day of the airshow the crowds were crazy! They ended up closing the doors due to lack of parking and breathing room inside the gates.
I liked how they parked the C-17 with the thrust reversers open. I don’t know how they did that. :confused:
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