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  • in reply to: Continental – United Merger? #602169
    Whiskey Delta
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    Isn’t Continental in Chapter 11 as well?

    CO isn’t in Chapter 11 and since the workers took pay concessions there hasn’t been any talk of it since.

    in reply to: Plane struck by lightning! #607175
    Whiskey Delta
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    I’ve haven’t been able to find any other reference to this “lightning deflector” online other than in the article you linked. The statement you quoted orginally from the article was spoken by a Mark Miller who apparently is an “aviation expert” for The Discover Channel. Well that title and a dollar will buy you a cup of coffee. It seems Mr. Miller was blowing a bit of smoke there.

    http://www.lightningtech.com/d~ta/faq1.html

    How is an aircraft protected from lightning?

    Most aircraft skins are made primarily of aluminum, which is a very good conductor of electricity. By making sure that there are no gaps in this conductive path, the engineer can assure that most of the lightning current will remain on the exterior skin of the aircraft. Some modern aircraft are made of advanced composite materials, which by themselves are significantly less conductive than aluminum. In this case, the composites are made with an embedded layer of conductive fibers or screens designed to carry lightning currents. These designs are thoroughly tested before they are incorporated in an aircraft.

    Modern passenger jets have miles of wires and dozens of computers and other instruments that control everything from the engines to the passengers’ music headsets. These computers, like all computers, are sometimes susceptible to upset from power surges. So, in addition to the design of the exterior of the aircraft, the lightning protection engineer must assure that no damaging surges or transients can be induced into the sensitive equipment inside of the aircraft. Lightning traveling on the exterior skin of an aircraft has the potential to induce transients into wires or equipment beneath the skin. These transients are called lightning indirect effects. Problems caused by indirect effects in cables and equipment are averted by careful shielding, grounding and the application of surge suppression devices when necessary. Every circuit and piece of equipment that is critical or essential to the safe flight and landing of an aircraft must be verified by the manufacturers to be protected against lightning in accordance with regulations of the FAA or a similar authority in the country of the aircraft’s origin.

    The other main area of concern is the fuel system, where even a tiny spark could be disastrous. Therefore, extreme precautions are taken to assure that lightning currents cannot cause sparks in any portion of an aircraft’s fuel system. The aircraft skin around the fuel tanks must be thick enough to withstand a burn through. All the structural joints and fasteners must be tightly designed to prevent sparks as lightning current passes from one section to another. Access doors, fuel filler caps and any vents must be designed and tested to withstand lightning. All the pipes and fuel lines that carry fuel to the engines, and the engines themselves, must be verified to be protected against lightning. In addition, new fuels that produce less explosive vapors are now widely used.

    Radomes are the nose cones of aircraft that contain radar and other flight instruments. The radome is an area of special concern for lightning protection engineers. In order to function, radar cannot be contained within a conductive enclosure. Protection is afforded by the application of lightning diverter strips along the outer surface of the radome. These strips can be solid metal bars or a series of closely spaced buttons of conductive material affixed to a plastic strip that is bonded adhesively to the radome. These strips are sized and spaced carefully according to simulated lightning attachment tests, while at the same time not significantly interfering with the radar. In many ways, diverter strips function like a lightning rod on a building.

    I highlighted a reference to the strips attached to radomes. Not quite what Mr. Miller was referring as these are there to route the lighting along the surface of the non-conductive radome surface to the metal aircraft skin.

    in reply to: Plane struck by lightning! #607218
    Whiskey Delta
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    Airliners now have lightning deflectors on their wing tips.
    “So it channels the lightning through the airplane’s air body and out through the tips of the wings away from people and away from electronics. In a sense it’s grounded that way,

    I’ve never heard of such a thing. What aircraft have them and what exactly are they?

    Lightning seems to exit at either the wings or tail (via the aluminum skin) by nature. I’m suprised that there would be a modification to do just that.

    in reply to: Continental – United Merger? #607333
    Whiskey Delta
    Participant

    This rumor comes up every year. CO is barely squeaking by and UA is still burning money for heat. I don’t think either are in a position to think about merging. Perhaps before 2001 things would have been a lot more favorable.

    in reply to: Southwest 737 off the runway in MDW (Merged) #607586
    Whiskey Delta
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    Couple of ideas being tossed to make US airports more safe:

    1) Longer runways.

    I think every runway should be 10 miles long. 😉 This runway particular runway is plenty long for most airliners. Southwest has been flying 737’s in and out of MDW for decades and ATA even flew their 753’s in and out of there.

    2) Installing more engineered materials at ends of runways to “catch
    planes” (e.i. thin concrete, etc. Runaway trucks on US I-40
    have sand runoff pits for trucks who lose wheels braking on downhill
    drive).

    I think these are bound to become manditory at some airports but I would be suprised if we’re still waiting 10 years from now. Nothing in aviation moves fast.

    Winter weather could have contributed, and plane was landing at approx. 147 m.p.h.

    128 knots is quite low for a 737.

    in reply to: Southwest 737 off the runway in MDW (Merged) #607593
    Whiskey Delta
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    KMDW 090153Z 23003KT 1/2SM SN FZFG VV002 M04/M05 A3004 RMK AO2 SLP191 R31C/4000V4500FT SNINCR 1/10 P0000 T10391050 $

    This line is the current conditions as of 0153 Zulu. The main points:

    23003KT = winds 230 degrees at 3 knots
    1/2SM SN FZFG = 1/2 statute mile visibility due to Moderate Snow and Freezing Fog
    VV002 = Vertical Visability is 200 feet
    R31C/4000V4500FT = Runway 31C visability variable between 4000-4500 Feet
    SNINCR = Snow increasing

    KMDW 090137Z 090124 07010KT 1SM -SN BR SCT003 OVC006
    TEMPO 0203 1/2SM SN FZFG VV003
    FM0300 03008KT 3SM -SN BKN007 OVC012
    TEMPO 0305 1SM -SN BR
    FM0500 33007KT 5SM -SN BKN010 OVC015
    FM0800 33012KT P6SM BKN020
    FM1200 29010KT P6SM BKN030
    FM1800 24012KT P6SM SCT030

    This is the forcast conditions for KMDW starting with the time it was issued at 0137 Zulu.

    07010KT 1SM -SN BR SCT003 OVC006
    TEMPO 0203 1/2SM SN FZFG VV003

    The weather was forcasted to be Winds 070 degrees at 10 knots, 1 mile visibility due to light snow/mist. Clouds scattered at 300 feet and overcast at 600 feet.

    Temporarily between 0200-0300 Zulu the visibility will be 1/2 mile due to Moderate Snow and Freezing Fog. Vertical visability of 300 feet.

    All in all, it really wasn’t that bad. This may point towards the condition of the runway and/or where the crew landed the airplane on the runway.

    in reply to: Southwest 737 off the runway in MDW (Merged) #607759
    Whiskey Delta
    Participant

    Why on earth were they permitted to land in such atrocious conditions

    Such conditions are rather common in the winter around the Great Lakes but usually with stronger winds. Christmas Eve last year was a memorable one for those traveling. Visibility is dictating to shoot the approach. If the visibility is above what’s required and reported braking action is above “nil” or “poor” (depending on the airline) then you can expect a crew to land.

    What these conditions do lead to is less margin for error. It doesn’t make it less safe only that your planning has additional limitations place on it.

    My personal favorite from the reports so far is that reporters are giving some weight to the passenger reports that the landing and rollout was unsually rough and an indicator that “things weren’t going right”. Man, anyone who’s landed on runway 31C can tell you that it’s a very rough piece of asphalt no matter the WX conditions. Everytime I land on it I make the comment “Nice runway. :rolleyes: ” 🙂

    in reply to: Plane struck by lightning! #607762
    Whiskey Delta
    Participant

    I’ve heard of winglets being blown off as well as all but one of the elevator cables being cut by a single lightning strike. Definately something you want to avoid.

    One night a few years ago we had some light rain moving through the area. None of which was associated with particularly large CB clouds. For what ever reason the conditions were right and lightning was rampent. We had 6 airplanes struck by lightning on approach within about 20 minutes. The particular airplane we were waiting one was one of them. The lightning entered the FO’s pitot tube and exited the captains side of the elevator. It punched a 2 inch hole in the control surface as it exited. Safe to say we didn’t take that airplane out that night.

    in reply to: Plane struck by lightning! #607868
    Whiskey Delta
    Participant

    Here’s a link to news story, that an aircraft (doesn’t specify type) was struck by lightning on its approach into Logan today.

    The article states the flight as being operated by Comair which would make it a CRJ200.

    Whiskey Delta
    Participant

    Unless you’re a product of my old school system. In that case we misspell habitually. 😉

    Whiskey Delta
    Participant

    Or perhaps because the official title for these officers is Federal Air Marshall yet Sky Marshall is still how they are referred to at times in the media. Only a guess.

    in reply to: Southwest 737 off the runway in MDW (Merged) #608168
    Whiskey Delta
    Participant

    An 8 year old boy is reported as dead. Anyone know if this would be the first fatality for Southwest.

    Thoughts and prayers are with the rest of those involved.

    in reply to: United States Action #608174
    Whiskey Delta
    Participant

    Could it have been you driving, WD? 🙂

    I haven’t flown into CLT with good weather in a long time so it can’t be me. 😀

    in reply to: Southwest 737 off the runway in MDW (Merged) #608178
    Whiskey Delta
    Participant

    KMDW 090153Z 23003KT 1/2SM SN FZFG VV002 M04/M05 A3004 RMK AO2 SLP191 R31C/4000V4500FT SNINCR 1/10 P0000 T10391050 $

    KMDW 090137Z 090124 07010KT 1SM -SN BR SCT003 OVC006
    TEMPO 0203 1/2SM SN FZFG VV003
    FM0300 03008KT 3SM -SN BKN007 OVC012
    TEMPO 0305 1SM -SN BR
    FM0500 33007KT 5SM -SN BKN010 OVC015
    FM0800 33012KT P6SM BKN020
    FM1200 29010KT P6SM BKN030
    FM1800 24012KT P6SM SCT030

    It appears the winter season is upon us.

    in reply to: Southwest 737 off the runway in MDW (Merged) #608181
    Whiskey Delta
    Participant

    Due to the proximity of the city/roads/buildings to the airport “off the runway” = “in the street” at MDW. The weather is turning ugly around here so I’m sure these guys had their hands full on this approach. There isn’t much room for error at this airport.

    I found this picture somewhere on the internet.

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