I think when I mean point to point long haul, I’m talking in terms of development at non-hubs such as [say, in the UK] Manchester or Glasgow, rather than development at Heathrow. Whilst the 787 and A350 will to some extent replace 767s, I do see them increasing the viability of regional long-haul to an extent (witness what EK has already done with the A330, which would never have happened when the only long-haul choices were 747s, DC-10s and L10s).
I agree about such growth, at least in the UK or EU. My particular statement was aimed more at the quote by bring_it_on.
A lot of good points made by Andy and rdc1000
I believe that to cater to this large no. of populus that are willing to fly we need to bring the conveleince of flying long distances point-point closer to their HOMES and this is far better done with 787.777,a350,a340 type aircraft then with the super jumbos 380 and 747’s..
I don’t think we’ll ever see the mini-jumbos (A350, A340, 777, 787) be used as point to point aircraft. The only way to support point to point is with a lot of O/D traffic and with the numbers needed to fill or break even on these aircraft you’d be hard pressed to find such a city pairing that could support this (at least city pairings outside of the current hubs).
It’s much easier and cost effective to park your mini-jumbo in your hub and fly in the connecting passengers from outlying cities using smaller aircraft. Also the larger the aircraft gets the more unique infrastructure requirements it has. Is it really worth trying to start 777 flights out of RDU knowing that it would take a miracle to successfully operate that aircraft type out of that airport once, let alone frequently? Gate space, ramp load bearing limits, runway limits, jetway compatibility, maintenance, compatible service equipment, etc. Operationally it makes sense for an airline to equipe 2 or 3 domestic airports to meet the requirements of the mini-jumbo rather than attempt to pay for 10 airports.
I agree that point to point is the what we’ll see more of in the future but most will be found in domestic markets with much smaller aircraft. I think the new batch of 70-100 seat aircraft will fill this nitch nicely as it’ll be easy to find city pairings that could support their breakeven load factor and the 50-70 extra seats (my guess) will provide a nice profit margin.
Just like aircraft, airlines don’t pay full price for fuel. Some airlines have hedged fuel which basically signed a contract to buy fuel for the length of the contract at a set price. It’s a great deal if gas prices should go up as your fuel costs will remain the same while everyone else is paying the increased cost. Of course it can also work against you if fuel prices should drop and you’re left paying your contractual higher price.
Even those that aren’t hedged don’t pay full price for fuel. Given the quantity that airlines buy they get discounts on the costs. Usually airlines will experience a lower fuel cost when operating out of their hubs rather than when they fill up at an outstation. It is common for airliners to carry more fuel than needed out of a hub in order to lessen the amount of fuel that needs to be bought for the return trip.
It would be tough to get a straight forward price quote from a fuel manufacturer as there is a lot of wheeling and dealing that goes on between them and airlines before they settle on a fuel price.
In some cases we’ve seen our fuel cost per gallon nearly triple in the last 3 years. Where we use to see fuel prices of $.65-.85/gallon now we’re looking at prices around $1.80/gallon. Unfortunately we’ve actually seen ticket prices lower in that same amount of time not to mention taking inflation into account.
15 pounds is about $30 which seems to be a reasonable surcharge to cover the fuel cost increase. That $30 surcharge is a flat fee in most cases and it calculated to cover both short and long flights. You might feel ripped off on a short 1 hour flight but you are getting quite a deal on a 4 hour flight.
I think what is happening is that the traveling public hasn’t seen a noticeable increase in ticket prices in so long that they’ve become a bit spoiled. Now any increase, no matter how small, is upsetting. Inflation is roughly 3% for most of the industrialized world yet ticket prices haven’t kept up with that, not even close.
Adjusted for inflation a $200 ticket in 2001 would/should cost about $225 today in 2005. Now that only holds true if operational costs (ie fuel) remained the same which they haven’t. So that $30 surcharge may cover the cost of the fuel but the airlines are still operating with a lower income with some operating at a loss. This is why airlines have gone to the employees looking for concessions. Since we’ll never see an “employee cost” surcharge added to tickets the employees are giving up their money to permit the flat “growth” of airline tickets over the years. Bummer.
I think the show is actually going out live. I’m on the 30th of June, same day that I fly out there, some how I think I’m gonig to be knackered! Haven’t even got round to booking the flights yet, they;ve told me to book them myself and then they’ll give me that cash back. Was thinking of trying Continental funnily enough!
They tape the show in the afternoon and broadcast it at 11:30 PM local. I’m looking forward to it. Have fun. 😀
I wish I would be in the UK at some point this summer as I would like to check out the operation.
When will you be taping your David Letterman show? I’ll have to make sure to set up the DVR to record that.
at LAS they broadcast ATC on the MW in the viewing carpark, so you can hear the landing clearances on the car radio.
That’s very cool.
Great pictures Andy. Any idea what the winds were at?
Outstanding pictures, thanks for sharing.
Well don’t you fly an Aircraft which has winglets Bill??? 😀 😀
We’ll let you off on that one 😉
Some, but not all. 😉
It appears that the 1900D is the pinacle of aerodynamic design as more modern aircraft are being retrofitted to look more and more like them. 😀
I guess I won’t be able to afford one now. 🙂
That’s a shame to hear. I must admit though that I never quite understood this order. They already have a young fleet and their cash reserves are not that impressive.
IMHO it was mainly a ploy to force concessions from their employee groups, especially the pilots. AC put in the order knowing that they couldn’t realisticly support the order without concessions. Even without the order AC needed concessions to stay competitive as well as balance their books a bit better. Prior to the order AC had little leverage against their employee groups/pilots. The Boeing order gave them that leverage but the pilots didn’t bite the bait. With the failed concessions the order served little purpose for their future especially since it would only hurt their fragile financial situation so they cancelled the order. CO used the same tactics with their pilots but it worked for them so the 787 order stayed.
Not to sure either, looks a bit silly.
Love’em or hate them I guess. It seems I’m a sucker for a winglet. 🙂
Wow, 100 738’s for Alaskan? I never saw that coming. It would make sense to phase out their MD-80’s and go with a single fleet type but only time will tell if they do that.
Wow, that’s some top notch service. Anyone fly on Icelandair?
I liked that SOP as you had a visual confirmation (switch position) of whether you had received take off/landing clearance.
We use the same system. Below 10,000′ we have the main landing lights on but leave the nose landing/taxi lights off. Doesn’t really matter as they are automatically extinguished when the gear is retracted. On approach we/I turn on the nose landing light when we are cleared for the approach. The taxi light is turned on when we are cleared to land. Some captains chose to use the taxi light for approach clearance and landing for landing clearance but it’s a personal preference. It is an excellent memory aid.