Whiskey DeltaYou must be sitting in the wrong lobbies 😉
The conceit amongst those GA pilots I tend to hang around with, is that virtually all their aviation is a triumph of luck and circumstance over the sheer weight of incompetence demonstrated by the teller. 😎
Moggy
Every airport is different and can exhibit quite different cultures. Some are good and others are not. At one particular airport I was getting checkout in a C182 and after the second day of flying I walked out never to return. Each person I met was determined to justify their superior flying skills as a result of flying out of that airport rather than another local field. Not knowing my background they proceded to badmouth just about every facet of local aviation other than their own. I was’t impressed with them either inside or outside of the cockpit.
Whiskey DeltaIf you don’t care why did you just spend several minutes of your life typing that diatribe?
I don’t care for the experience “one upmanship” found among some pilots. Should I care?
Get over it. Just because you think something doesn’t make it right.
Ditto.
Walk a mile in the shoes before you judge them….
Whiskey DeltaAccording to you, I’m just a silly little girl flying silly little planes who has no idea about anything up on the flight deck with the big boys – so don’t let me stress you out so much!
I never made any comments directed at your sex or the size of airplane one flies and yes, you don’t know what goes on up on the flight deck.
You seem to be missing the point that those that have never walked in the shoes of the professional pilot should be casting judgements on what they do or don’t do (or what their experience/background may be).
This isn’t about “the big boys” as you put it versus the “silly little plane” pilots. The experience levels at the commerical level are much higher than those at the GA level since we do this day in and day out. Your average GA pilot who flies a few times a month during CAVU days has a very limited experience level to draw from.
Experience has little to do with the level of automation found in an airplane. Doesn’t a pilot navigating a line of thunderstorms build experience whether he was hand flying it or adjusting the automation? Both require skill.
You obviously bias towards the differences found between the two worlds and seem to write off the experiences shared by a professional as “arrogance” rather than seeing it as a learning experience.
Egotistical pilots are found in all aspects of aviation with no type of flying being excempt. I’ve personally found more in GA as they are more prone to “proving” themselves among their peers as experiences can vary widely at your average GA airport. Professional pilots do so less (but some still do) since their environment is more standardized and work related experience levels are even across the board for the most part. I’ve spent years sitting in small airport lobbies listening to the banter of GA pilots trying to “one up” the next guy with his experiences. I’ve also spent years in airline crew rooms and can honestly say that I’ve never heard such talk once. Honestly, who cares.
Whiskey Deltaflying an airliner and a small propeller plane are two different worlds, but they both need airmanship, attitude and skill. Anyway if you compare the workload of a 60s airline pilot with yours you will realise how things are way easier today.
You’re comparing the “ease” of a 1960’s 3 crewed aircraft to the 2 person crews of today? I think there are some folks who’ve ACTUALLY flown both that might disagree with you. It’s often said the easiest job in aviation is a 727 FO.
I’m afraid that aviation is still afflicted by false myths and this is changing things in the wrong way.
And you seem to be perpetuating them as well with your uninformed opinions of professional pilots.
I met and heard of many pilots doing their job “cuz dad told me to do so”, and I personally think that their 100hrs as F/O on 737 are not worth 10hrs of my biplane aerobatics.
If you’re talking about flying aerobatics then yes your 10 hours are more applicable. If you’re talking about some serious IFR flying than those 10 hours are worthless. Aviation has a wide range of jobs and pilot training must be geared towards specific environments. You seem to be caught up believing that your flight time transfers equally across all aspects of aviation and somehow increases your worth as a pilot. Trust me, it doesn’t.
I think you also forgot to mention that your type of flying is actually fun! Going from A to B in an 737 is indeed just a job and really you’re just a bus driver in the sky. But one without the pressure of having to drive!
Without having walked a mile in the shoes of a professional pilot how do you justify your comments? How does straight and level in a C152 differ than a 737? Honestly the new C172’s are better equiped that most airliners. Dual GPS, 3 axis autopilot?
Bus driver of the sky? Oh man, ignorance is written all over this.
That is an arrogant and sweeping generalisation. You only say that because you happen to fly airliners yourself. Just because you sit in a comfortabke cockpit with your feet up following your procedures you automatically are more experienced? Hmmmmmm, rubbish!
All of your comments have been nothing but arrogance and sweeping generalisations FC.
You seem to be under the impression that professional pilots woke up flying an airliner one day and have never set foot in a GA aircraft. I personally have 1000 hours in small aircraft with a good part of that time as a flight instructor. That time even includes 400 hours of me folding my 6′ 6″ frame into the wonderful C152.
You seem to take a look at the last 1000 hours of someone’s experiences without understanding that there are 1000’s of hours before that which include experiences you don’t know about.
The single biggest variable and builder of experience for any pilot (especially a GA pilot) is weather. It’s safe to say that a professional pilot has seen more types of weather in different situations than any GA pilot can hope to see. Ask yourself, on those days when the GA community is grounded due to weather how many airliners and other commerical aircraft can’t fly? When the winds are pushing 30-40 knots it’s not the automation that safely lands that aircraft no matter what you’ve assumed.
Skycruiser is right, Commerical pilots have greater experience and knowledge than your average GA pilot. That’s not arrogance, it’s the truth. We’ve seen both sides of the aviation coin.
Whiskey DeltaI think being a glider pilot as well as a PPL makes one a more well rounded pilot but not necessarily a better pilot. Flying an airplane is a pitch AND power endeavor and flying a glider only increases your situational awareness with pitch.
Also a lot of the skills that are found piloting a glider don’t transfer (at least not reasonably) to a powered aircraft. When you lose your engine in an airplane you pitch for best glide. In a glider you are able to use the glider and actually increase altitude or search for better lift elsewhere. You’ll find that neither of those options work in an airplane and in fact you’ll be spending all your time with emergency procedures to try looking for lift to decrease your decent rate.
There is a reason that the manual for an airplane is many times thicker than that of a glider.
Whiskey DeltaYou’ll break before the airplane. All you can do when it gets that bad is slow to Manuevering speed and try to maintain attitude not altitude. You’ll see some impressive rates on the VSI (both +/-) but do what you can to ride them out. You can overstress the airplane if you start pushing the airplane to maintain altitude.
Whiskey DeltaI saw in the paper that they also got a piece of the USS Arizona. It’s been a while since I’ve been to the MAPS museum, looks like a trip is in order.
Whiskey DeltaWow, it’s hard to believe that they’ve already hit that landmark. It seems like only a few years ago that the 777 was rolled out.
Whiskey DeltaWow, it’s hard to believe that they’ve already hit that landmark. It seems like only a few years ago that the 777 was rolled out.
Whiskey DeltaComplete with meter? 😉
Whiskey DeltaComplete with meter? 😉
Whiskey DeltaBut lately CAE and a few others have started offering generic FTD’s with displays showing the panels for quick conversion between types. Haven’t seen them for real myself but it sure sounds interesting, at least for me as an engineer…
It sure will be interesting to see what success this change in FTD’s will have industry wide and where it will find a nitch.
Whiskey DeltaBut lately CAE and a few others have started offering generic FTD’s with displays showing the panels for quick conversion between types. Haven’t seen them for real myself but it sure sounds interesting, at least for me as an engineer…
It sure will be interesting to see what success this change in FTD’s will have industry wide and where it will find a nitch.
Whiskey DeltaSuch ashame that there are still less and less 727’s in our skies.
Not if FedEx has something to say about it. 😉
Whiskey DeltaSuch ashame that there are still less and less 727’s in our skies.
Not if FedEx has something to say about it. 😉
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