Very interesting, thanks. What route were you applying for ETOPS approval for?
The ETOPS would help with our IAH to Florida, Carribean and Central American routes as we are required to stay within 50 NM of the coast rather than fly straight across the Gulf of Mexico. Out of EWR it would help with the Carribean as well as Halifax, NS and St. John’s, Newfoundland. I’m sure they have a lot more on the books that they want to launch pending a short ETOPS but we’ll only find out about them when they appear on our schedules.
As we have seen, Continental are starting alot of new transatlantic services to new regional detinations with 757s; maybe the etops 737-800 will make an appearance too when certified??
I doubt they would bother with Transatlantic. CO has had some explosive growth in Central America as well as the previous service to the Carribean islands that all benefit from ETOPS due to the fuel savings of direct routing out of IAH and EWR. Also can’t forget about the Guam base which is by far the biggest benefactor of the ETOPS certification. Every destination there is an island out in the Pacific Ocean.
Plane in Jefferson City crash had mechanical problems earlier
08:45 PM CDT on Friday, October 15, 2004
By DAVID A. LIEB, Associated Press Writer
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — A plane that plunged to a fatal crash after both of its jet engines failed had aborted a scheduled takeoff earlier in the day because of an apparent problem with a mechanical system that distributes engine heat throughout the plane.
Federal investigators said Friday evening that the regional jet affiliated with Northwest Airlines had aborted a scheduled flight Thursday from Little Rock, Ark., after an indicator light went on for its bleed-air system.
After undergoing maintenance, the 50-seat Pinnacle Airlines plane was being flown without passengers to Minneapolis when its engines failed and it crashed late Thursday night into a residential area in Missouri’s capital city, killing the two pilots. No residents were hurt.
The plane reached 41,000 feet before it went into an aerodynamic stall and lost power from one engine. At 13,000 feet, the second engine quit working. The last contact that air traffic controllers had with the plane was at 9,000 feet when a pilot reported an airport beacon in sight, Carmody said.
The crash site is about two miles from the Jefferson City airport.
Pinnacle Airlines, based in Memphis, Tenn., identified the two deceased pilots as Capt. Jesse Rhodes and First Officer Peter Cesarz but did not release their ages or hometowns. Carmody said earlier Friday that the pilots’ bodies had not been recovered, but by looking at the cockpit there’s “no doubt” the pilots died.
The plane, bought new by Pinnacle in May 2000, had flown 10,161 hours and had no major problems in inspections required by the Federal Aviation Administration, Pinnacle said.
Plane in Jefferson City crash had mechanical problems earlier
08:45 PM CDT on Friday, October 15, 2004
By DAVID A. LIEB, Associated Press Writer
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — A plane that plunged to a fatal crash after both of its jet engines failed had aborted a scheduled takeoff earlier in the day because of an apparent problem with a mechanical system that distributes engine heat throughout the plane.
Federal investigators said Friday evening that the regional jet affiliated with Northwest Airlines had aborted a scheduled flight Thursday from Little Rock, Ark., after an indicator light went on for its bleed-air system.
After undergoing maintenance, the 50-seat Pinnacle Airlines plane was being flown without passengers to Minneapolis when its engines failed and it crashed late Thursday night into a residential area in Missouri’s capital city, killing the two pilots. No residents were hurt.
The plane reached 41,000 feet before it went into an aerodynamic stall and lost power from one engine. At 13,000 feet, the second engine quit working. The last contact that air traffic controllers had with the plane was at 9,000 feet when a pilot reported an airport beacon in sight, Carmody said.
The crash site is about two miles from the Jefferson City airport.
Pinnacle Airlines, based in Memphis, Tenn., identified the two deceased pilots as Capt. Jesse Rhodes and First Officer Peter Cesarz but did not release their ages or hometowns. Carmody said earlier Friday that the pilots’ bodies had not been recovered, but by looking at the cockpit there’s “no doubt” the pilots died.
The plane, bought new by Pinnacle in May 2000, had flown 10,161 hours and had no major problems in inspections required by the Federal Aviation Administration, Pinnacle said.
Bu66er me! I didn’t realise you could get ETOPS approval on an aircraft without a third hydraulic system!
My understanding is the driving force behind ETOPS certification is IFSD or the InFlight ShutDown rate for an engine. There are many types of ETOPS some of which might require a 3rd hydraulic system like those in excess of 200 minutes but I’m only speculating. They have been trying to get a short ETOPS at my company for the EMB-145 but we haven’t been able to achieve the necessary IFSD for the AE3007 engine family. Just about the time we are set to achieve the necessary time between shutdowns we lose another engine so the clock restarts. Bummer.
Bu66er me! I didn’t realise you could get ETOPS approval on an aircraft without a third hydraulic system!
My understanding is the driving force behind ETOPS certification is IFSD or the InFlight ShutDown rate for an engine. There are many types of ETOPS some of which might require a 3rd hydraulic system like those in excess of 200 minutes but I’m only speculating. They have been trying to get a short ETOPS at my company for the EMB-145 but we haven’t been able to achieve the necessary IFSD for the AE3007 engine family. Just about the time we are set to achieve the necessary time between shutdowns we lose another engine so the clock restarts. Bummer.
Once again, another outstanding set of pictures. Thanks for sharing Eagle.
Once again, another outstanding set of pictures. Thanks for sharing Eagle.
Very cool! Thanks for the link.
Very cool! Thanks for the link.
The runways in CLE were renumbered 3 years ago. The magnetic pole shifts quite a bit causing the requried changes in numbering. My old airport should have changed it’s runway numbers years ago as they are clearly not aligned with the Magnetic North as they use to be.
The runways in CLE were renumbered 3 years ago. The magnetic pole shifts quite a bit causing the requried changes in numbering. My old airport should have changed it’s runway numbers years ago as they are clearly not aligned with the Magnetic North as they use to be.
Since AW shutdown their Columbus, Ohio hub I’m sure they’ve been looking for a new Midwest hub to operate out of and Chicago-Midway would be a great candidate I’m sure. I’m really suprised that ATA is struggling so bad with the amount of government military charters they’ve been running. A few of my old captains are there on the 737 and 757 so I really hate to see them struggle like this. I heard one of them will be furloughed shortly.
Since AW shutdown their Columbus, Ohio hub I’m sure they’ve been looking for a new Midwest hub to operate out of and Chicago-Midway would be a great candidate I’m sure. I’m really suprised that ATA is struggling so bad with the amount of government military charters they’ve been running. A few of my old captains are there on the 737 and 757 so I really hate to see them struggle like this. I heard one of them will be furloughed shortly.
I was in KSTL last night and awoke to this news. By the time I left the NTSB had arrived on the scene and taken control of the invesigation. The few early press conferences they ran didn’t give much information only that there was a report of some engine trouble soon before the crash. I’m curious to what would have caused this.
Rest in Peace.
I was in KSTL last night and awoke to this news. By the time I left the NTSB had arrived on the scene and taken control of the invesigation. The few early press conferences they ran didn’t give much information only that there was a report of some engine trouble soon before the crash. I’m curious to what would have caused this.
Rest in Peace.