news of Principe de Asturias’ possible retirement makes me curious about Italy’s similar Guiseppe Garibaldi. she’s in fact several years older than PdA and will cross her 30 year mark in just a few years. does anyone know if the Italians are planning a major (and expensive) refit to keep her around significantly longer than her 30 years in service date?
i’ve made some periodic updates to the list on page 1:
[*]USN’s LHA-7 officially named “USS Tripoli”.
[*]RN’s two QE class carriers reverted back to STOVL designation with the news of going back to F-35B.
[*]Russian Navy’s two french-built LHDs now have names: “Vladivostok” & “Sevastopol”.
[*]Spanish Navy’s Principe de Asturias may soon be placed in reserve or sold.
from the article:
“India has indicated that at least two further carriers of the same or similar designs to INS Vikrant are planned. The first of these, to be named INS Viraat started construction in 2011 and is due to be commissioned in 2017. A $2 billion deal for the purchase of 45 more MiG-29Ks for the new carriers is near signature with Russia.”
i thought that the next IAC was due to be named INS Vishal, no? and i thought it was currently only in the planning phase, but the article mentions that construction on it started last year, what?
anyone know the real deal?
Preserved capital ships are rare outside of US anyway, so it’s not just British. And I suspect that the number in US is excessive in long term anyway
i’m not saying that the royal navy should have been as excessive as the USN in preserving 20th century capital ships, but i think we can all agree that it would be pretty damn cool if there were maybe a dreadnought era ship, a WWII battleship, and perhaps HMS victorious preserved as museums around the UK.
The ‘finest hour’ of the RN however is pre-1900 and the wars with the French, Spanish & Dutch when the RN were undeniably pre-eminent in the world. So I think there is might be more emotional attchment to ships from that period than 20th century.
interesting perspective, and one i hadn’t thought of. the USN’s “finest hour” was undoubtedly the pacific theater in WWII.
still though, the royal navy built some damn impressive capital ships in the 20th century, it’s a shame they couldn’t have saved a small number of them.
The USA scrapped 24 carriers, & preserved one, between 1960 & 1992. It has decommissioned eight since then, one of which it’s sunk, one of which is currently scheduled for dismantling, two of which are “awaiting disposal” & two “on donation hold” – which I think means donation of spares for active ships.
if you want to race the two navies’ respective records of preserving 20th century capital ships, the scoreboard doesn’t look very good for the royal navy.
USN aircraft carrier museum ships: 5
USN battleship museum ships: 8
RN aircraft carrier museum ships: 0
RN battleship museum ships: 0
^ indeed. the invincibles were fine looking ships in their prime. it’s a pity that the royal navy doesn’t seem keen on preserving it’s carrier hardware the same way that the USN has.
^ yeah, what’s this all about? can anyone translate?
^ let’s keep aircraft similar across both decks, F-35B, for argument’s sake. i’ll take the carrier that gives me more aircraft, more deck space to operate those aircraft, more hanger space to maintain those aircraft, and a ski-jump that puts more take-off weight into those aircraft (or better yet, CATOBAR).
primary SAMs and anti-ship missiles should go in an escort hull.
so you would prefer a 30 aircraft max Cavour class carrier over a 30 aircraft max Kiev class carrier?
apples and oranges.
let’s try to keep hull size consistent.
i would prefer a STOBAR (w/ ski jump) Vikramaditya with 24 mig-29’s to a STOVL (no ski jump) Gorshkov with 12 yak-38’s.
let aircraft carriers be aircraft carriers and let escorts be escorts.
combining aviation and missile cruiser on a single hull might have worked ok for ASW ships like the moskva class with its aerial fleet of hormones, but once you bring fixed wing aircraft into the equation, it’s best to get as much deck and hangar as can fit on the hull.
with the news that the new mistral ship for russia has been officially laid-down, i’ve gone ahead and updated the list on page 1.
50 years of service is certainly impressive. i wonder if her nuclear power plant will preclude her from becoming a museum upon her decommissioning. she certainly deserves the honor, but it may just be out of the realm of practicality.
USS Gerald R Ford progress continues:

http://nosint.blogspot.com/2011/08/structural-work-on-gerald-r-ford.html
So we now have a new carrier vessel designator then?. Not a CV or a CVN we now see the worlds first CVNBA???
(…..I’ll get my coat) 😮
This is a college b-ball match up, so the correct designation is CVNCAA 😀
pic of an F-35b below deck in the USS Wasp hangar.
