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  • in reply to: Military Aviation News #2090748
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    in reply to: The potential for joint Russian-Chinese collaboration #2090769
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    Russia-Sino consortium will also go for an An-124 replacement program too

    [USER=”77107″]J-20[/USER] – That is an option. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that one. The Russians have their “Slon” concept, but it is still early enough that Chinese participation in its design and build can be scoped in. And a transport isn’t the same sort of potential threat that a fighter or bomber is.

    Without an actual defense alliance though, the opportunities for joint projects will be limited. Such programs would have to offer plenty for the design and manufacturing industries of both nations while simultaneously avoiding potential security problems.

    in reply to: RuAF News and development Thread part 15 #2090771
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    IMO drones are something, where Russia is surely – at least operationally ahead.

    Keep in mind that, although China hasn’t used its drones in combat, many customers of Chinese drones have. And I’m sure China has had opportunities to learn from those events. I don’t think China is lacking in know-how.

    As to Okhotnik, it is going to be a long time before it is operational.

    in reply to: USAF not F-35 thread #2091101
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    …if that damaged section of RAM represents the length of the surface wave suppressing treatments required to prevent diffraction at surface discontinuities…

    It doesn’t. Every material has its own intrinsic resistivity and the total sheet impedance will also be determined by material thickness. And this is done for each layer. All of these factors are under the control of stealth designers and there are many possible solutions towards the same goal. So there is no single “length” and it also means that there might not be any “discontinuities” like you are suggesting either.

    …then the canopy frame airgap of the Su-57…

    Ah, yes, the supposed air gap measured by your meticulously calibrated eyeballs…only 429,988GHz removed from the main frequencies of interest. But no worries, right, close enough? What this photo does show is what I’ve been telling you. The main attributes which provide for stealth are not something you can see.

    in reply to: USAF not F-35 thread #2091230
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    @TR-1 – The article that I posted explains it. Some missions – such as training – allows for a greater amount of degradation. djcross makes a valid point.

    And the Russians and Chinese are going to go through the headache of maintaining their birds too.

    in reply to: USAF not F-35 thread #2091266
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    That’s why I said what I did on the other thread. The electromagnetic principles needed to make a stealth aircraft isn’t classified. But the science and engineering required to make your stealth technology aerospace grade is.

    “All this takes a lot of work to maintain and many of these applications start degrading shortly after they are applied, with friction from high-speed flight, crushing G forces, and the elements accelerating that process. As such, one of the costliest aspects of operating F-22s—and flying this aircraft is extremely expensive with an average flight hour cost of about $60k—is keeping its stealthy skin up to par.”

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29218/these-images-of-an-f-22-raptors-crumbling-radar-absorbent-skin-are-fascinating

    in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2091272
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    There are various reports from several wallclimbers stating, that both J20s and J10Cs were spotted at CAC with WS-10 engines.

    That could be a good thing or a bad thing for the J-20. Good in that they can start building and fly as many J-20s as they want. Bad in that it might mean a Ws-15 flight is still a ways out.

    Nothing but good news for the J-10 though.

    in reply to: 2019 F-35 News and Discussion #2091280
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    It would require overturning the basis on which partner status was set out.

    That’s the dilemma! It would be very nice to have them as a partner, but they can’t just join without breaking previous agreements. And they did have a fair chance earlier.

    in reply to: The potential for joint Russian-Chinese collaboration #2091281
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    J-20 is actually right about the C919….the weather radar is from Rockwell Collins, APU and landing gear is from Honeywell, etc. It is a long way from being a safe platform to base a military program on. Even when the CJ-1000 engines are ready it still might not be suited for the PLAAF. The engine’s shaft is made by GKN Aerospace, and MTU is involved in making the engine as well.

    That said, I agree that China likely won’t procure MS-21 for military purposes. At the start I said that possible areas for military aerospace cooperation are CR929 derivatives, the heavy lift helicopter they are talking about making, and little else.

    in reply to: 2019 F-35 News and Discussion #2091379
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    in reply to: The potential for joint Russian-Chinese collaboration #2091486
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    It also makes sense keeping the manufacturing facility alive, and technicians employed.

    That’s where the real need is. Keep the talent proficient while they finish the necessary R&D for next gen designs. That’s also why the new Il-96 is only a slight upgrade, just enough to do this task.

    But the next gen designs will almost certainly be more CR929 based. And it’s not like they can’t make a fully Russianized variant at will. CRAIC’s main design center is in Moscow – the Russians are going to have all the data.

    in reply to: Military Aviation News #2091490
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    in reply to: Helicopter News & Discussion #2091494
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    in reply to: The potential for joint Russian-Chinese collaboration #2091526
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    The CR929 is likely the best base design for future Russian and Chinese tankers and AWACS. Since the design is shared for civilian passenger service they can built the aircraft in bulk – and thus cheaply. It also provides a starting point for achieving some commonality between the Russian and Chinese militaries.

    in reply to: The potential for joint Russian-Chinese collaboration #2091528
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    what about in the case of the J-20 or X-36? or is their canards on a different position

    @ Vans – It has nothing to do with position. Traditionally, canard designs (such as the current Eurocanards) are not stealthy because of the way they are made. See Rafale…

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    The leading edges of these designs are made of titanium – which has a very high electrical permittivity. This is a problem because electric and magnetic fields are concentrated at sharp edges.

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    In short, you cannot have stealth with metallic leading edges. If you make a blunt leading edge then you can be assured there is a normal vector pointed straight back at the receiver. And, since reflectivity is very high, such a design will not work for stealth. On the other hand, if you create a sharp edge then you get better directivity, but it will be a superb site for surface creeping waves to relaunch out into the atmosphere – again compromising stealth. There is a lot of electrical engineering that goes into these.

    Actual stealth designs treat all of their edges. The front part of the J-20’s canards are made of a low permittivity dielectric (loaded with just enough conductivity – a sheet impedance of 377 ohms – to attenuate the wavefront) and so are suited for stealth.

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    Rand revealed the build of US stealth designs a long time ago. See pages 7 and 8 on how the edges are always built of low permittivity dielectrics.

    https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1370/MR1370.ch2.pdf

    As for the Yakolev design in particular, there is no way you can judge whether something is stealth or not by looking at a wind tunnel model.

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